WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:20.820 align:middle line:90% 00:00:20.820 --> 00:00:23.970 align:middle line:84% All right, so we are live streaming now. 00:00:23.970 --> 00:00:27.540 align:middle line:84% I will turn on the cloud recording right now. 00:00:27.540 --> 00:00:31.330 align:middle line:84% Oh, looks like somebody already did that. 00:00:31.330 --> 00:00:31.830 align:middle line:90% No need to. 00:00:31.830 --> 00:00:34.920 align:middle line:84% The live stream's on and recorded for you. 00:00:34.920 --> 00:00:36.240 align:middle line:90% OK, good. 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:37.050 align:middle line:90% Gotcha. 00:00:37.050 --> 00:00:39.600 align:middle line:84% All right, well, I can stop that extra recording, then. 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:42.620 align:middle line:90% 00:00:42.620 --> 00:00:44.620 align:middle line:84% The recording button is on because somebody else 00:00:44.620 --> 00:00:45.310 align:middle line:90% is recording. 00:00:45.310 --> 00:00:47.140 align:middle line:84% That's the live stream recording. 00:00:47.140 --> 00:00:53.410 align:middle line:84% OK, so this is the first hearing of the Special Joint 00:00:53.410 --> 00:00:55.270 align:middle line:90% Committee on Redistricting. 00:00:55.270 --> 00:00:58.660 align:middle line:84% And I am State Senator Will Brownsberger, 00:00:58.660 --> 00:01:02.410 align:middle line:84% who is the Senate Chair of this, and I'm here this morning 00:01:02.410 --> 00:01:06.910 align:middle line:84% with my House Co-Chair Chairman Mike Moran. 00:01:06.910 --> 00:01:09.430 align:middle line:90% This is April 14. 00:01:09.430 --> 00:01:12.040 align:middle line:84% We've started the recording at 11:00 AM. 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:15.250 align:middle line:90% 00:01:15.250 --> 00:01:18.940 align:middle line:84% Let me make sure that-- that sounds like a delay. 00:01:18.940 --> 00:01:20.230 align:middle line:90% That is definitely working. 00:01:20.230 --> 00:01:23.383 align:middle line:84% OK, I had to add the lifestream myself on the background, 00:01:23.383 --> 00:01:24.550 align:middle line:90% so it just started up there. 00:01:24.550 --> 00:01:25.758 align:middle line:90% So you heard that echo there. 00:01:25.758 --> 00:01:28.520 align:middle line:90% 00:01:28.520 --> 00:01:31.300 align:middle line:84% So what I want to begin by doing is just 00:01:31.300 --> 00:01:35.950 align:middle line:84% simply introducing the members of the committee, 00:01:35.950 --> 00:01:36.835 align:middle line:90% and I will do that. 00:01:36.835 --> 00:01:38.710 align:middle line:84% Then I'll make a couple introductory remarks. 00:01:38.710 --> 00:01:40.840 align:middle line:84% My chair will make a couple of introductory remarks. 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:42.548 align:middle line:84% Any members can make introductory remarks 00:01:42.548 --> 00:01:43.290 align:middle line:90% if they wish to. 00:01:43.290 --> 00:01:46.420 align:middle line:90% 00:01:46.420 --> 00:01:48.890 align:middle line:84% Chairman Moran will go over the proposed hearing 00:01:48.890 --> 00:01:51.940 align:middle line:84% schedule and a little bit about the website, 00:01:51.940 --> 00:01:54.730 align:middle line:84% and then we will begin the main purpose of the meeting, which 00:01:54.730 --> 00:01:56.320 align:middle line:90% is public testimony. 00:01:56.320 --> 00:01:58.930 align:middle line:84% At the end of public testimony, we will wrap up 00:01:58.930 --> 00:02:02.110 align:middle line:84% and we will switch into an executive session 00:02:02.110 --> 00:02:04.510 align:middle line:84% for the purpose of adopting our committee charge. 00:02:04.510 --> 00:02:06.610 align:middle line:84% Executive session does not mean that anybody, 00:02:06.610 --> 00:02:07.720 align:middle line:90% the public is excluded. 00:02:07.720 --> 00:02:10.600 align:middle line:84% It just means that we are talking amongst ourselves 00:02:10.600 --> 00:02:13.180 align:middle line:84% but remaining in public, and we will 00:02:13.180 --> 00:02:16.630 align:middle line:90% vote on our committee charge. 00:02:16.630 --> 00:02:24.900 align:middle line:84% So with that, the members of the Senate Joint Committee, 00:02:24.900 --> 00:02:29.220 align:middle line:84% let me just have people introduce themselves. 00:02:29.220 --> 00:02:31.440 align:middle line:90% Senator Gobi. 00:02:31.440 --> 00:02:34.860 align:middle line:84% I'll call names and people people can just say hello. 00:02:34.860 --> 00:02:37.800 align:middle line:90% 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:38.760 align:middle line:90% Hello. 00:02:38.760 --> 00:02:39.360 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:41.160 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 00:02:41.160 --> 00:02:42.420 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 00:02:42.420 --> 00:02:45.310 align:middle line:90% Senator Cyr. 00:02:45.310 --> 00:02:47.350 align:middle line:90% Good morning from Cape Cod. 00:02:47.350 --> 00:02:47.956 align:middle line:90% Julian Cyr. 00:02:47.956 --> 00:02:49.630 align:middle line:84% I represent 20 communities across Cape Cod, 00:02:49.630 --> 00:02:50.963 align:middle line:90% Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket. 00:02:50.963 --> 00:02:52.100 align:middle line:90% Good to be with you. 00:02:52.100 --> 00:02:54.460 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 00:02:54.460 --> 00:02:58.490 align:middle line:84% Senator [INAUDIBLE],, are you online? 00:02:58.490 --> 00:03:00.620 align:middle line:90% Not quite. 00:03:00.620 --> 00:03:03.560 align:middle line:90% Senator Chang-Diaz? 00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:06.770 align:middle line:90% Not online yet. 00:03:06.770 --> 00:03:12.020 align:middle line:90% And Senator Hinds, say hello. 00:03:12.020 --> 00:03:12.980 align:middle line:90% Good morning. 00:03:12.980 --> 00:03:15.080 align:middle line:84% Adam Hinds, hailing from Pittsfield 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:18.020 align:middle line:84% and representing the 52 westernmost municipalities 00:03:18.020 --> 00:03:21.830 align:middle line:84% in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. 00:03:21.830 --> 00:03:27.330 align:middle line:84% Chairman Moran, would you like to introduce your colleagues? 00:03:27.330 --> 00:03:27.987 align:middle line:90% Senator Gomez. 00:03:27.987 --> 00:03:29.070 align:middle line:90% I'm sorry, let me back up. 00:03:29.070 --> 00:03:30.373 align:middle line:90% Senator Gomez, you're there. 00:03:30.373 --> 00:03:31.290 align:middle line:90% You want to say hello? 00:03:31.290 --> 00:03:36.177 align:middle line:90% 00:03:36.177 --> 00:03:36.760 align:middle line:90% We'll move on. 00:03:36.760 --> 00:03:41.380 align:middle line:84% Senator Gomez is not unmuting, but that's OK. 00:03:41.380 --> 00:03:42.710 align:middle line:90% Other members of the-- 00:03:42.710 --> 00:03:44.260 align:middle line:90% I apologize. 00:03:44.260 --> 00:03:47.120 align:middle line:84% I had a technical difficulty with the mute button. 00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:49.300 align:middle line:84% Adam Gomez from the Hampden District. 00:03:49.300 --> 00:03:51.170 align:middle line:90% I am happy to be here. 00:03:51.170 --> 00:03:53.170 align:middle line:90% Thank you so much. 00:03:53.170 --> 00:03:53.820 align:middle line:90% We are glad. 00:03:53.820 --> 00:03:55.570 align:middle line:90% We're glad to have you. 00:03:55.570 --> 00:03:57.300 align:middle line:84% Thank you for being here this morning. 00:03:57.300 --> 00:04:00.060 align:middle line:84% Chairman Moran, you can take over 00:04:00.060 --> 00:04:02.350 align:middle line:90% with the members of the House. 00:04:02.350 --> 00:04:07.000 align:middle line:84% Thank you, Chairman Brownsberger. 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:09.910 align:middle line:84% I will just do it as I see them on here. 00:04:09.910 --> 00:04:13.450 align:middle line:84% I have reached out to a number of the members who 00:04:13.450 --> 00:04:14.996 align:middle line:84% have asked to say a few words, but I 00:04:14.996 --> 00:04:17.079 align:middle line:84% think we'll let them all just introduce themselves 00:04:17.079 --> 00:04:19.779 align:middle line:90% real quick if they don't mind. 00:04:19.779 --> 00:04:23.530 align:middle line:84% From the newest member of the House on this committee, 00:04:23.530 --> 00:04:26.380 align:middle line:84% from Barnstable, Representative Kip Diggs from Barnstable 00:04:26.380 --> 00:04:28.540 align:middle line:90% is on this committee. 00:04:28.540 --> 00:04:29.040 align:middle line:90% Morning. 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:30.810 align:middle line:90% I'm honored to be here. 00:04:30.810 --> 00:04:34.667 align:middle line:84% Kip Diggs, 2nd Barnstable District, and thanks 00:04:34.667 --> 00:04:35.250 align:middle line:90% for having me. 00:04:35.250 --> 00:04:37.800 align:middle line:84% And I look forward to meeting you all. 00:04:37.800 --> 00:04:39.360 align:middle line:90% Fantastic. 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:42.630 align:middle line:84% Next up is the gentleman from Mattapoisett, 00:04:42.630 --> 00:04:47.400 align:middle line:84% the Chairman of Transportation, Representative Strauss. 00:04:47.400 --> 00:04:49.470 align:middle line:84% Morning, Mr. Chair and Mr. Chair. 00:04:49.470 --> 00:04:50.850 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 00:04:50.850 --> 00:04:55.860 align:middle line:84% Bill Strauss from Mattapoisett, 10th Bristol District. 00:04:55.860 --> 00:04:57.210 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Bill. 00:04:57.210 --> 00:04:57.810 align:middle line:90% Great. 00:04:57.810 --> 00:05:01.920 align:middle line:84% Next we have the gentlelady from Provincetown, 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:06.540 align:middle line:84% the Assistant Majority Leader, Representative Sarah Peake. 00:05:06.540 --> 00:05:08.805 align:middle line:84% Good morning, Mr. Chairman and colleagues. 00:05:08.805 --> 00:05:10.680 align:middle line:84% Sarah Peake from the 4th Barnstable District, 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:13.217 align:middle line:84% the outer lower part of Cape Cod. 00:05:13.217 --> 00:05:15.300 align:middle line:84% You want us to make our remarks now, Mr. Chairman? 00:05:15.300 --> 00:05:16.050 align:middle line:90% Are we doing that? 00:05:16.050 --> 00:05:18.840 align:middle line:84% If you want to say something, go right ahead. 00:05:18.840 --> 00:05:21.000 align:middle line:84% Just briefly, because we have a full agenda today, 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:23.220 align:middle line:84% but it's an honor to serve on this committee. 00:05:23.220 --> 00:05:24.870 align:middle line:84% And looking around at this screen, 00:05:24.870 --> 00:05:29.700 align:middle line:84% I appreciate the diversity that's represented, 00:05:29.700 --> 00:05:31.080 align:middle line:90% not only racial diversity. 00:05:31.080 --> 00:05:34.110 align:middle line:84% Geographic diversity, urban and rural communities 00:05:34.110 --> 00:05:34.960 align:middle line:90% are represented. 00:05:34.960 --> 00:05:39.540 align:middle line:84% So I think that this special committee is well positioned 00:05:39.540 --> 00:05:43.830 align:middle line:84% and put together to really do a great job with this effort 00:05:43.830 --> 00:05:45.387 align:middle line:84% that we have to do every 10 years. 00:05:45.387 --> 00:05:47.220 align:middle line:84% So thank you for including me, Mr. Chairman. 00:05:47.220 --> 00:05:48.480 align:middle line:90% I appreciate it. 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:49.190 align:middle line:90% Fantastic. 00:05:49.190 --> 00:05:50.760 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Sarah. 00:05:50.760 --> 00:05:54.000 align:middle line:84% Next up is the gentleman from Lowell, the Division 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:58.898 align:middle line:84% Chairman of the House, Tommy "Don't Call Me Tipper" Golden. 00:05:58.898 --> 00:05:59.940 align:middle line:90% Good morning, Mr. Leader. 00:05:59.940 --> 00:06:01.860 align:middle line:84% How are you, and to all my Senate colleagues 00:06:01.860 --> 00:06:03.708 align:middle line:90% and House colleagues, welcome. 00:06:03.708 --> 00:06:05.500 align:middle line:84% Looking forward to working with all of you, 00:06:05.500 --> 00:06:08.785 align:middle line:84% Tom Golden, or Tipper as the leader just stated. 00:06:08.785 --> 00:06:11.160 align:middle line:84% State Representative from the City of Lowell and the Town 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:11.850 align:middle line:90% of Chelmsford. 00:06:11.850 --> 00:06:14.410 align:middle line:84% Glad to be here, and glad to see all of my friends. 00:06:14.410 --> 00:06:16.660 align:middle line:84% I wish we were doing this in person. 00:06:16.660 --> 00:06:18.690 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 00:06:18.690 --> 00:06:22.170 align:middle line:84% Next up is a gentleman that is my vice Chair. 00:06:22.170 --> 00:06:24.340 align:middle line:84% I'm thrilled that he's on this committee again. 00:06:24.340 --> 00:06:26.700 align:middle line:84% This is his second time around on this committee, 00:06:26.700 --> 00:06:30.630 align:middle line:84% this time serving as a Vice Chair of the Committee, 00:06:30.630 --> 00:06:32.550 align:middle line:84% also the Vice Chair of Transportation, 00:06:32.550 --> 00:06:35.150 align:middle line:84% the gentleman from Lawrence, Mr Marcos Devers. 00:06:35.150 --> 00:06:36.150 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 00:06:36.150 --> 00:06:38.410 align:middle line:90% Hello, everyone. 00:06:38.410 --> 00:06:40.530 align:middle line:84% It's a great honor to share with you. 00:06:40.530 --> 00:06:42.270 align:middle line:90% This committee is wonderful. 00:06:42.270 --> 00:06:44.640 align:middle line:84% It's a great privilege for me to be 00:06:44.640 --> 00:06:48.150 align:middle line:84% second time as a member of this special committee, 00:06:48.150 --> 00:06:51.570 align:middle line:84% and wonderful to be with all my colleagues 00:06:51.570 --> 00:06:54.540 align:middle line:90% from the Senate and the House. 00:06:54.540 --> 00:06:55.900 align:middle line:90% A great pleasure to serve. 00:06:55.900 --> 00:06:56.580 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 00:06:56.580 --> 00:06:57.500 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Marcos. 00:06:57.500 --> 00:06:58.950 align:middle line:90% Thank you very much. 00:06:58.950 --> 00:07:04.530 align:middle line:84% Also from the great city of Lawrence, no relation, 00:07:04.530 --> 00:07:09.180 align:middle line:84% the gentleman from Lawrence, Frank Moran. 00:07:09.180 --> 00:07:12.220 align:middle line:84% Frank serves in the House as a Division Chair as well. 00:07:12.220 --> 00:07:13.500 align:middle line:90% Frank, thanks for being here. 00:07:13.500 --> 00:07:15.182 align:middle line:90% Buenos dias, todos. 00:07:15.182 --> 00:07:16.140 align:middle line:90% My name is Frank Moran. 00:07:16.140 --> 00:07:18.050 align:middle line:84% I represent the great City of Lawrence. 00:07:18.050 --> 00:07:19.800 align:middle line:84% Looking forward to working with all of you 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:23.770 align:middle line:90% on this great committee. 00:07:23.770 --> 00:07:25.270 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Frank. 00:07:25.270 --> 00:07:26.680 align:middle line:90% Did you want to say a few words? 00:07:26.680 --> 00:07:28.888 align:middle line:84% I thought you said you might want to say a few words. 00:07:28.888 --> 00:07:32.060 align:middle line:84% Do you want me to say it now or later? 00:07:32.060 --> 00:07:32.720 align:middle line:90% It's up to you. 00:07:32.720 --> 00:07:33.470 align:middle line:90% You can do it now. 00:07:33.470 --> 00:07:34.450 align:middle line:90% That's fine. 00:07:34.450 --> 00:07:35.140 align:middle line:90% It's up? 00:07:35.140 --> 00:07:36.910 align:middle line:84% If it's OK, Mr. Leader, I'd like to say it 00:07:36.910 --> 00:07:39.305 align:middle line:84% in Spanish and English, because I'm a bilingual person. 00:07:39.305 --> 00:07:40.180 align:middle line:90% Why don't you do it-- 00:07:40.180 --> 00:07:42.183 align:middle line:90% I hope you don't mind. 00:07:42.183 --> 00:07:43.100 align:middle line:90% Why don't you do both? 00:07:43.100 --> 00:07:43.800 align:middle line:90% How's that? 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:45.870 align:middle line:90% All right, that sounds like a-- 00:07:45.870 --> 00:07:47.200 align:middle line:90% [SPEAKING SPANISH] 00:07:47.200 --> 00:10:05.835 align:middle line:90% 00:10:05.835 --> 00:10:07.460 align:middle line:84% I know you guys didn't understand that, 00:10:07.460 --> 00:10:09.730 align:middle line:84% but I will say it in English now. 00:10:09.730 --> 00:10:12.220 align:middle line:84% It is a pleasure to be with all of you this morning 00:10:12.220 --> 00:10:14.500 align:middle line:84% as we begin to consider this important task ahead 00:10:14.500 --> 00:10:16.510 align:middle line:84% of our special committee on redistricting. 00:10:16.510 --> 00:10:18.430 align:middle line:84% And I'm eager to work alongside all of you 00:10:18.430 --> 00:10:20.540 align:middle line:84% throughout this critical process. 00:10:20.540 --> 00:10:22.400 align:middle line:84% The work of the special committee 00:10:22.400 --> 00:10:24.590 align:middle line:84% will have long lasting effects on the communities 00:10:24.590 --> 00:10:28.230 align:middle line:84% within Massachusetts, and it is not a task that I take lightly. 00:10:28.230 --> 00:10:30.230 align:middle line:84% We are tasked with an incredible responsibility 00:10:30.230 --> 00:10:32.720 align:middle line:84% to ensure the voting districts of our states 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:36.500 align:middle line:84% are equitable and reflective of all people. 00:10:36.500 --> 00:10:38.450 align:middle line:84% With that being said, I would like 00:10:38.450 --> 00:10:41.330 align:middle line:84% to recognize leader Mike Moran for his previous work 00:10:41.330 --> 00:10:43.547 align:middle line:90% on this process eight years ago. 00:10:43.547 --> 00:10:45.380 align:middle line:84% Without his thoughtful approach to our state 00:10:45.380 --> 00:10:47.810 align:middle line:84% previous redistricting effort, I very well 00:10:47.810 --> 00:10:51.200 align:middle line:84% may not be here with all of you as a colleague today. 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:54.260 align:middle line:84% Prior to redistricting, the 17th Essex district, 00:10:54.260 --> 00:10:57.020 align:middle line:84% of which I served, was not reflective of someone 00:10:57.020 --> 00:11:00.710 align:middle line:84% like me, an immigrant and a person of color. 00:11:00.710 --> 00:11:03.590 align:middle line:84% The city of Lawrence, the place I'm proud to call my home, 00:11:03.590 --> 00:11:05.780 align:middle line:84% was not provided the proper representation 00:11:05.780 --> 00:11:08.102 align:middle line:84% within Massachusetts legislature even 00:11:08.102 --> 00:11:10.310 align:middle line:84% though it is one of the highest populated communities 00:11:10.310 --> 00:11:10.852 align:middle line:90% in our state. 00:11:10.852 --> 00:11:15.400 align:middle line:90% 00:11:15.400 --> 00:11:19.120 align:middle line:84% Simply put, there is no way that a person of color 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:21.700 align:middle line:84% like me could have been elected if it was not 00:11:21.700 --> 00:11:23.740 align:middle line:90% for redistricting. 00:11:23.740 --> 00:11:24.700 align:middle line:90% I'll say it again. 00:11:24.700 --> 00:11:28.240 align:middle line:84% Simply put, there is no way that a person of color 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:30.430 align:middle line:84% like me could have been elected if it was not 00:11:30.430 --> 00:11:32.230 align:middle line:90% for redistricting. 00:11:32.230 --> 00:11:34.150 align:middle line:84% It is thanks to leader Mike Moran as well as 00:11:34.150 --> 00:11:35.962 align:middle line:84% the previous members of this committee 00:11:35.962 --> 00:11:37.420 align:middle line:84% that I was afforded the opportunity 00:11:37.420 --> 00:11:40.000 align:middle line:84% to run for state representative eight years ago. 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:42.340 align:middle line:84% And I'm proud to be the first person of color 00:11:42.340 --> 00:11:44.620 align:middle line:84% to have been elected as a state representative 00:11:44.620 --> 00:11:46.870 align:middle line:90% of the 17th Essex district. 00:11:46.870 --> 00:11:49.175 align:middle line:84% It is a privilege to serve in this committee. 00:11:49.175 --> 00:11:50.800 align:middle line:84% And I look forward to working to ensure 00:11:50.800 --> 00:11:53.290 align:middle line:84% that each and every district in Massachusetts 00:11:53.290 --> 00:11:56.260 align:middle line:84% is reflective of a diverse population 00:11:56.260 --> 00:11:59.243 align:middle line:84% and provide more like me, an immigrant who grew up 00:11:59.243 --> 00:12:00.910 align:middle line:84% in the projects of the city of Lawrence, 00:12:00.910 --> 00:12:03.310 align:middle line:84% the opportunity to serve on Beacon Hill 00:12:03.310 --> 00:12:06.097 align:middle line:90% as a member of the leadership. 00:12:06.097 --> 00:12:08.680 align:middle line:84% I want to thank you for giving me the opportunity, Mr. Leader. 00:12:08.680 --> 00:12:12.920 align:middle line:84% And I look forward to working with this great committee. 00:12:12.920 --> 00:12:13.820 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Frank. 00:12:13.820 --> 00:12:14.780 align:middle line:90% I appreciate that. 00:12:14.780 --> 00:12:16.020 align:middle line:90% And we're happy to have you. 00:12:16.020 --> 00:12:20.690 align:middle line:84% So next up would be the vice chair of Steering, Policy, 00:12:20.690 --> 00:12:24.200 align:middle line:84% and Scheduling, the gentle lady from Pittsfield, Representative 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:25.910 align:middle line:90% Tricia Farley-Bouvier. 00:12:25.910 --> 00:12:29.720 align:middle line:84% Thank you so much, Mr. Chairman, Mr. Chairman. 00:12:29.720 --> 00:12:33.650 align:middle line:84% I do take this responsibility very, very seriously 00:12:33.650 --> 00:12:34.880 align:middle line:90% to be on this committee. 00:12:34.880 --> 00:12:38.510 align:middle line:84% It's both a privilege and a great responsibility. 00:12:38.510 --> 00:12:39.980 align:middle line:90% I'm Tricia Farley-Bouvier. 00:12:39.980 --> 00:12:42.200 align:middle line:84% I represent the 3rd Berkshire district, 00:12:42.200 --> 00:12:44.480 align:middle line:84% which is most of the city of Pittsfield. 00:12:44.480 --> 00:12:48.560 align:middle line:84% And I'm better known as Senator Hinds' state representative. 00:12:48.560 --> 00:12:51.290 align:middle line:84% So I do take other responsibility, 00:12:51.290 --> 00:12:54.140 align:middle line:84% not only for the people of Berkshire County, all 00:12:54.140 --> 00:12:57.620 align:middle line:84% of Berkshire County, as I'm kind of like our delegation's 00:12:57.620 --> 00:13:01.100 align:middle line:84% representative, but also to my colleagues in the delegation 00:13:01.100 --> 00:13:04.040 align:middle line:84% to be taking the needs of Berkshire 00:13:04.040 --> 00:13:07.490 align:middle line:84% County, an area that's shrinking in population, 00:13:07.490 --> 00:13:11.030 align:middle line:84% and making sure that the people here have 00:13:11.030 --> 00:13:12.620 align:middle line:90% equal access to government. 00:13:12.620 --> 00:13:13.940 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 00:13:13.940 --> 00:13:15.710 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Tricia. 00:13:15.710 --> 00:13:18.860 align:middle line:84% Next up is the gentle lady from Fall River, 00:13:18.860 --> 00:13:20.810 align:middle line:84% the chairperson of the Tourism, Arts, 00:13:20.810 --> 00:13:23.060 align:middle line:84% and Cultural Development Committee. 00:13:23.060 --> 00:13:27.450 align:middle line:84% The gentle lady from Fall River, Representative Fiola. 00:13:27.450 --> 00:13:29.750 align:middle line:84% Thank you, Chairman Moran, to my colleagues 00:13:29.750 --> 00:13:32.450 align:middle line:84% in the House and Senate Brownsberger, 00:13:32.450 --> 00:13:33.350 align:middle line:90% Senate colleagues. 00:13:33.350 --> 00:13:37.280 align:middle line:84% What an honor to be here with you all as we 00:13:37.280 --> 00:13:41.490 align:middle line:84% embark on this very, very important mission. 00:13:41.490 --> 00:13:45.560 align:middle line:84% I echo my good colleague from Lawrence's comments. 00:13:45.560 --> 00:13:47.090 align:middle line:90% We don't take this lightly. 00:13:47.090 --> 00:13:49.580 align:middle line:84% And I look forward to the work we're going to embark on. 00:13:49.580 --> 00:13:51.800 align:middle line:84% I represent Fall River and Freetown, 00:13:51.800 --> 00:13:54.920 align:middle line:90% two very different communities. 00:13:54.920 --> 00:13:59.250 align:middle line:84% But all deserve the same type of representation that we provide. 00:13:59.250 --> 00:14:00.560 align:middle line:90% So thank you, leader. 00:14:00.560 --> 00:14:02.790 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Chairman Moran. 00:14:02.790 --> 00:14:04.010 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Carol. 00:14:04.010 --> 00:14:06.140 align:middle line:84% Next up is the gentleman from Duxbury, 00:14:06.140 --> 00:14:08.870 align:middle line:84% the House chair of Labor and Workforce Development, 00:14:08.870 --> 00:14:11.090 align:middle line:90% Representative Josh Cutler. 00:14:11.090 --> 00:14:11.730 align:middle line:90% Good morning. 00:14:11.730 --> 00:14:12.710 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Mr Chairman. 00:14:12.710 --> 00:14:13.640 align:middle line:90% Mr. Chairman. 00:14:13.640 --> 00:14:16.070 align:middle line:84% Josh Cutler, 6th Plymouth district. 00:14:16.070 --> 00:14:17.480 align:middle line:90% Greetings from the South Shore. 00:14:17.480 --> 00:14:19.730 align:middle line:84% Looking forward to serving on the committee. 00:14:19.730 --> 00:14:21.470 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Josh. 00:14:21.470 --> 00:14:23.600 align:middle line:90% Appreciate your brevity. 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:28.040 align:middle line:84% Next up is the gentleman from Haverhill. 00:14:28.040 --> 00:14:30.247 align:middle line:84% He is the vice chair of the Economic Development 00:14:30.247 --> 00:14:32.330 align:middle line:84% and Emerging Technology Committees, Representative 00:14:32.330 --> 00:14:33.695 align:middle line:90% Vargas. 00:14:33.695 --> 00:14:34.820 align:middle line:90% Good morning, Mr. Chairman. 00:14:34.820 --> 00:14:38.000 align:middle line:84% And thank you all for being here today on this historic journey 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:39.500 align:middle line:90% that we're about to embark on. 00:14:39.500 --> 00:14:41.990 align:middle line:84% I think the representative from Lawrence, 00:14:41.990 --> 00:14:45.020 align:middle line:84% Representative Moran, an older brother to me, 00:14:45.020 --> 00:14:47.880 align:middle line:84% said it very well and said it perfectly. 00:14:47.880 --> 00:14:50.810 align:middle line:84% This is a civics lesson for young people 00:14:50.810 --> 00:14:51.830 align:middle line:90% across the Commonwealth. 00:14:51.830 --> 00:14:53.288 align:middle line:84% And I'm excited to be a part of it. 00:14:53.288 --> 00:14:55.530 align:middle line:90% So thank you for having me. 00:14:55.530 --> 00:14:57.140 align:middle line:90% Thank you, representative. 00:14:57.140 --> 00:15:00.530 align:middle line:84% Next up would be the gentle lady from Boston serving 00:15:00.530 --> 00:15:03.380 align:middle line:84% the 7th Suffolk district, the vice chair of the Judiciary 00:15:03.380 --> 00:15:07.270 align:middle line:84% Committee, Representative Chynah Tyler. 00:15:07.270 --> 00:15:07.990 align:middle line:90% That is me. 00:15:07.990 --> 00:15:12.257 align:middle line:84% Good, now, morning, everyone still. 00:15:12.257 --> 00:15:14.590 align:middle line:84% Representative Chynah Tyler representing the 7th Suffolk 00:15:14.590 --> 00:15:15.310 align:middle line:90% district. 00:15:15.310 --> 00:15:18.400 align:middle line:84% Thank you so much to Chair Moran and Chair Brownsberger. 00:15:18.400 --> 00:15:22.750 align:middle line:84% I look forward to collaborating with you both on a fine product 00:15:22.750 --> 00:15:24.370 align:middle line:90% in which I hope you will-- 00:15:24.370 --> 00:15:26.277 align:middle line:84% which I know we'll create in moving forward. 00:15:26.277 --> 00:15:28.360 align:middle line:84% I really look forward to serving on this committee 00:15:28.360 --> 00:15:31.270 align:middle line:84% to just make sure that voices that are traditionally 00:15:31.270 --> 00:15:33.340 align:middle line:84% marginalized and continue to be marginalized 00:15:33.340 --> 00:15:35.630 align:middle line:84% are kind of brought and uplifted in general. 00:15:35.630 --> 00:15:37.130 align:middle line:84% And so I just want to say thank you. 00:15:37.130 --> 00:15:39.750 align:middle line:84% And thank you to everyone for your commitment to being 00:15:39.750 --> 00:15:40.750 align:middle line:90% a part of the committee. 00:15:40.750 --> 00:15:42.130 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 00:15:42.130 --> 00:15:42.820 align:middle line:90% Fantastic. 00:15:42.820 --> 00:15:43.660 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Chynah. 00:15:43.660 --> 00:15:46.490 align:middle line:84% Next up as the gentleman from Worcester. 00:15:46.490 --> 00:15:46.990 align:middle line:90% Oh, sorry. 00:15:46.990 --> 00:15:47.680 align:middle line:90% Is it Worcester? 00:15:47.680 --> 00:15:48.760 align:middle line:90% I got that wrong. 00:15:48.760 --> 00:15:53.320 align:middle line:84% But he is a division chair, and he is a good friend. 00:15:53.320 --> 00:15:54.940 align:middle line:90% Representative Jimmy O'Day. 00:15:54.940 --> 00:15:57.810 align:middle line:84% Somewhere out there, Mr. Chairman, in central Mass. 00:15:57.810 --> 00:15:58.930 align:middle line:90% That's close enough. 00:15:58.930 --> 00:15:59.530 align:middle line:90% I'm sorry. 00:15:59.530 --> 00:15:59.780 align:middle line:90% I'm sorry. 00:15:59.780 --> 00:16:00.450 align:middle line:90% You're so kind. 00:16:00.450 --> 00:16:01.480 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHTER] 00:16:01.480 --> 00:16:02.980 align:middle line:90% Really, good morning, everybody. 00:16:02.980 --> 00:16:06.460 align:middle line:84% It's a tremendous honor to be here with everyone today. 00:16:06.460 --> 00:16:10.630 align:middle line:84% And I just really wanted to especially say buenas dias 00:16:10.630 --> 00:16:13.390 align:middle line:84% to my friend and brother, Frank Moran. 00:16:13.390 --> 00:16:16.660 align:middle line:84% It's great to have you back here with us, my buddy. 00:16:16.660 --> 00:16:19.990 align:middle line:84% Most of the folks on this call I've had the opportunity 00:16:19.990 --> 00:16:22.990 align:middle line:84% and good fortune to have run into one or two of them 00:16:22.990 --> 00:16:24.380 align:middle line:90% over the last several months. 00:16:24.380 --> 00:16:26.380 align:middle line:84% But there are others on this call I've not 00:16:26.380 --> 00:16:28.910 align:middle line:90% seen in quite some time. 00:16:28.910 --> 00:16:30.880 align:middle line:84% And it's just great to see Frank and others 00:16:30.880 --> 00:16:32.680 align:middle line:90% that I haven't been around. 00:16:32.680 --> 00:16:35.770 align:middle line:84% And really looking forward to serving with you 00:16:35.770 --> 00:16:39.430 align:middle line:84% and Chairman Brownsberger who came in several months ahead 00:16:39.430 --> 00:16:42.320 align:middle line:90% of me, way back in 2007. 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:45.860 align:middle line:84% And it's great to be on this call with everyone. 00:16:45.860 --> 00:16:50.140 align:middle line:84% And I'm really happy and honored that the speaker put me 00:16:50.140 --> 00:16:50.860 align:middle line:90% on the committee. 00:16:50.860 --> 00:16:52.390 align:middle line:84% You did a tremendous job last time 00:16:52.390 --> 00:16:55.990 align:middle line:84% around, chairman-- excuse me, Mr. Leader Moran. 00:16:55.990 --> 00:17:00.148 align:middle line:84% And I'm really looking forward to the great work 00:17:00.148 --> 00:17:01.190 align:middle line:90% that we have ahead of us. 00:17:01.190 --> 00:17:04.010 align:middle line:84% So thank you very much for the introduction this morning. 00:17:04.010 --> 00:17:05.800 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Jimmy. 00:17:05.800 --> 00:17:08.079 align:middle line:84% Next up is the Assistant Majority Leader 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:13.339 align:middle line:84% of the House Joe Wagner from the great city of Chicopee. 00:17:13.339 --> 00:17:16.036 align:middle line:84% I might add also a second time member. 00:17:16.036 --> 00:17:17.619 align:middle line:84% He was on this committee 10 years ago. 00:17:17.619 --> 00:17:21.670 align:middle line:90% 00:17:21.670 --> 00:17:22.660 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Mr. Leader. 00:17:22.660 --> 00:17:25.339 align:middle line:84% And to the chairs and through the chairs, 00:17:25.339 --> 00:17:28.840 align:middle line:84% it's a great honor to serve again on this committee. 00:17:28.840 --> 00:17:30.730 align:middle line:84% The work, obviously, is very important. 00:17:30.730 --> 00:17:34.330 align:middle line:84% And looking forward to working with all of my colleagues 00:17:34.330 --> 00:17:36.580 align:middle line:90% on the committee and across-- 00:17:36.580 --> 00:17:38.440 align:middle line:84% those who are not serving on the committee 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:40.830 align:middle line:84% but represent districts across the Commonwealth. 00:17:40.830 --> 00:17:42.950 align:middle line:84% So looking forward to getting the work started. 00:17:42.950 --> 00:17:43.960 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:45.940 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Joe. 00:17:45.940 --> 00:17:49.870 align:middle line:84% I'd also now like to introduce the ranking member 00:17:49.870 --> 00:17:52.150 align:middle line:84% of the minority party, the third assistant minority 00:17:52.150 --> 00:17:54.260 align:middle line:84% leader, the gentleman from Auburn, 00:17:54.260 --> 00:17:56.500 align:middle line:84% another veteran of the redistricting committee 00:17:56.500 --> 00:17:58.840 align:middle line:84% who was on this committee 10 years ago with me, 00:17:58.840 --> 00:18:01.240 align:middle line:90% Representative Paul Frost. 00:18:01.240 --> 00:18:02.950 align:middle line:84% Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and through you 00:18:02.950 --> 00:18:07.690 align:middle line:84% to the members of this special committee. 00:18:07.690 --> 00:18:14.920 align:middle line:84% And it was indeed a joy to serve with you and several others 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:18.820 align:middle line:84% on this task 10 years ago when it 00:18:18.820 --> 00:18:22.240 align:middle line:84% was a wee bit more challenging to go from-- 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:25.780 align:middle line:84% well, we had to basically redistrict out 00:18:25.780 --> 00:18:27.100 align:middle line:90% a congressional seat. 00:18:27.100 --> 00:18:31.120 align:middle line:84% So that was a very, very big challenge and an unfortunate 00:18:31.120 --> 00:18:33.100 align:middle line:84% one as well, because, obviously, we 00:18:33.100 --> 00:18:36.970 align:middle line:84% don't want to lose representation in Washington. 00:18:36.970 --> 00:18:40.390 align:middle line:84% But I do want to say that I think 10 years ago 00:18:40.390 --> 00:18:42.220 align:middle line:90% was a great process. 00:18:42.220 --> 00:18:45.130 align:middle line:84% This is my third overall redistricting process 00:18:45.130 --> 00:18:48.370 align:middle line:84% since being in the legislature, and as you 00:18:48.370 --> 00:18:52.050 align:middle line:84% said, the second time on this committee. 00:18:52.050 --> 00:18:54.640 align:middle line:84% And I do want to say that I thought 00:18:54.640 --> 00:18:57.500 align:middle line:90% the process went very well. 00:18:57.500 --> 00:18:59.020 align:middle line:90% And I think it was very fair. 00:18:59.020 --> 00:19:02.110 align:middle line:84% And as much as I was a pain in the butt 00:19:02.110 --> 00:19:06.940 align:middle line:84% over regionalizations of congressional districts, 00:19:06.940 --> 00:19:08.770 align:middle line:84% having them make more regional sense, 00:19:08.770 --> 00:19:11.260 align:middle line:84% I believe the overall product did 00:19:11.260 --> 00:19:14.790 align:middle line:84% do that, with some exceptions, of course, as you know. 00:19:14.790 --> 00:19:18.910 align:middle line:84% [LAUGHS] And I'm sure I'll bring those up 00:19:18.910 --> 00:19:21.590 align:middle line:90% over the course of this process. 00:19:21.590 --> 00:19:24.460 align:middle line:84% But overall, I was very happy with the process 00:19:24.460 --> 00:19:27.590 align:middle line:84% 10 years ago under your leadership, Mr. Chairman. 00:19:27.590 --> 00:19:32.350 align:middle line:84% And I appreciate your indulgence of listening to my concerns 00:19:32.350 --> 00:19:35.770 align:middle line:84% and allowing me to ask sometimes I 00:19:35.770 --> 00:19:39.930 align:middle line:84% think very tough questions, and your patience. 00:19:39.930 --> 00:19:41.200 align:middle line:90% So thank you very much. 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:44.860 align:middle line:84% And I look forward to the process ahead for everybody. 00:19:44.860 --> 00:19:45.440 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:46.107 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Paul. 00:19:46.107 --> 00:19:49.000 align:middle line:84% And I think the last member of the House that is on the call 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:52.360 align:middle line:84% right now is the gentle lady from Holden. 00:19:52.360 --> 00:19:55.690 align:middle line:84% She's the second assistant minority leader, 00:19:55.690 --> 00:20:01.230 align:middle line:84% representing the 1st Worcester district, Kim Ferguson. 00:20:01.230 --> 00:20:02.740 align:middle line:90% Good morning, everyone. 00:20:02.740 --> 00:20:06.600 align:middle line:84% I bring you greetings from my tiny iPhone screen here, 00:20:06.600 --> 00:20:09.670 align:middle line:84% as my laptop has decided to go on strike. 00:20:09.670 --> 00:20:14.490 align:middle line:84% And so I apologize for not being there totally in person 00:20:14.490 --> 00:20:15.540 align:middle line:90% with you. 00:20:15.540 --> 00:20:17.220 align:middle line:84% But it is a pleasure to be appointed 00:20:17.220 --> 00:20:18.720 align:middle line:90% to this special committee. 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:21.660 align:middle line:84% And I'm looking forward to the work and the challenging work 00:20:21.660 --> 00:20:24.330 align:middle line:84% that we're going to be doing over the next several months. 00:20:24.330 --> 00:20:26.310 align:middle line:84% I do represent the 1st Worcester district, 00:20:26.310 --> 00:20:29.430 align:middle line:84% Holden, Princeton, Paxton, Rutland, half of Sterling, 00:20:29.430 --> 00:20:30.900 align:middle line:90% half of Westminster. 00:20:30.900 --> 00:20:33.150 align:middle line:84% And as it changed a few years ago, 00:20:33.150 --> 00:20:34.650 align:middle line:84% we'll see if it has to change again. 00:20:34.650 --> 00:20:36.820 align:middle line:84% But it's a pleasure to be here with all of you. 00:20:36.820 --> 00:20:38.070 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 00:20:38.070 --> 00:20:39.600 align:middle line:84% Thank you, Representative Ferguson. 00:20:39.600 --> 00:20:41.910 align:middle line:84% And by my math, there's three or four members 00:20:41.910 --> 00:20:43.005 align:middle line:90% that are not on the call. 00:20:43.005 --> 00:20:44.880 align:middle line:84% But if they do come in, I will introduce them 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:46.210 align:middle line:90% when they get here. 00:20:46.210 --> 00:20:48.390 align:middle line:84% And in the interest of time, because that 00:20:48.390 --> 00:20:50.047 align:middle line:84% did take longer than we thought, I'd 00:20:50.047 --> 00:20:51.630 align:middle line:84% like to turn it back over to my chair. 00:20:51.630 --> 00:20:55.060 align:middle line:84% And he can commence with the rest of the hearing. 00:20:55.060 --> 00:20:56.200 align:middle line:90% Hey, Mr. Chairman. 00:20:56.200 --> 00:20:57.900 align:middle line:84% Rep Nick Boldyga here from Southwick, 00:20:57.900 --> 00:21:01.030 align:middle line:84% representing the 3rd Hampden district, Agawam, Granville, 00:21:01.030 --> 00:21:01.613 align:middle line:90% and Southwick. 00:21:01.613 --> 00:21:02.863 align:middle line:90% It's good to be here with you. 00:21:02.863 --> 00:21:03.940 align:middle line:90% It's the beard, I know. 00:21:03.940 --> 00:21:04.490 align:middle line:90% I've already received-- 00:21:04.490 --> 00:21:05.920 align:middle line:90% That's exactly what it is, Nick. 00:21:05.920 --> 00:21:06.750 align:middle line:90% I didn't know who you were. 00:21:06.750 --> 00:21:07.150 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHS] 00:21:07.150 --> 00:21:08.380 align:middle line:90% Everybody's already texted me. 00:21:08.380 --> 00:21:09.005 align:middle line:90% It's the beard. 00:21:09.005 --> 00:21:11.010 align:middle line:90% They didn't recognize who I was. 00:21:11.010 --> 00:21:12.220 align:middle line:90% So I'm here to stay, though. 00:21:12.220 --> 00:21:14.240 align:middle line:84% And hopefully everybody gets used to it. 00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:17.862 align:middle line:84% I'm enjoying it, the incognito of having some facial hair. 00:21:17.862 --> 00:21:19.820 align:middle line:84% But looking forward to working with all of you. 00:21:19.820 --> 00:21:20.903 align:middle line:90% It's been pretty exciting. 00:21:20.903 --> 00:21:23.650 align:middle line:84% I remember the last redistricting 00:21:23.650 --> 00:21:24.860 align:middle line:90% like it was just yesterday. 00:21:24.860 --> 00:21:27.220 align:middle line:84% So it's amazing how fast time flies. 00:21:27.220 --> 00:21:29.345 align:middle line:84% And I think we have such a diverse group of people. 00:21:29.345 --> 00:21:31.387 align:middle line:84% Really looking forward to working with all of you 00:21:31.387 --> 00:21:32.230 align:middle line:90% in the months ahead. 00:21:32.230 --> 00:21:33.130 align:middle line:90% Thank you again. 00:21:33.130 --> 00:21:33.730 align:middle line:90% Thanks, Nick. 00:21:33.730 --> 00:21:34.630 align:middle line:90% I apologize for that. 00:21:34.630 --> 00:21:36.640 align:middle line:90% I lost my hair. 00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:38.457 align:middle line:90% You grow it on your face. 00:21:38.457 --> 00:21:40.310 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHS] Thank you. 00:21:40.310 --> 00:21:44.890 align:middle line:90% And Chairman Brownsberger. 00:21:44.890 --> 00:21:45.970 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 00:21:45.970 --> 00:21:50.140 align:middle line:84% So I want to say that my greatest hope is 00:21:50.140 --> 00:21:54.550 align:middle line:84% that we can have a hearing and redistricting 00:21:54.550 --> 00:22:00.070 align:middle line:84% process over the next six, seven months that goes as smoothly 00:22:00.070 --> 00:22:02.140 align:middle line:90% as what you did in 2010. 00:22:02.140 --> 00:22:03.790 align:middle line:84% That is certainly my objective is 00:22:03.790 --> 00:22:07.420 align:middle line:84% to conduct this process in an open way, a transparent 00:22:07.420 --> 00:22:11.710 align:middle line:84% way, transparent to the public, transparent to our community 00:22:11.710 --> 00:22:16.190 align:middle line:84% of advocates, transparent to the members of both branches. 00:22:16.190 --> 00:22:20.920 align:middle line:84% And hopefully everybody will feel that the process 00:22:20.920 --> 00:22:24.550 align:middle line:90% is extremely fair and even. 00:22:24.550 --> 00:22:29.440 align:middle line:84% And the goal is to have no drama. 00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:33.220 align:middle line:84% We're just going to listen, go by the numbers, 00:22:33.220 --> 00:22:37.030 align:middle line:84% and follow the law to the best of our ability. 00:22:37.030 --> 00:22:42.070 align:middle line:84% So Mr. Chairman, do you want to make some additional remarks 00:22:42.070 --> 00:22:45.220 align:middle line:84% and then maybe head into the next agenda item, which 00:22:45.220 --> 00:22:48.592 align:middle line:84% is an overview of the hearings schedule 00:22:48.592 --> 00:22:50.050 align:middle line:84% and maybe the website a little bit? 00:22:50.050 --> 00:22:52.710 align:middle line:90% 00:22:52.710 --> 00:22:56.130 align:middle line:90% You're on mute. 00:22:56.130 --> 00:22:58.530 align:middle line:84% For those of you that haven't seen it-- 00:22:58.530 --> 00:23:01.230 align:middle line:84% I tried to send it around last night-- 00:23:01.230 --> 00:23:03.750 align:middle line:90% the website is up and running. 00:23:03.750 --> 00:23:07.020 align:middle line:84% And for that, I would like to thank 00:23:07.020 --> 00:23:12.420 align:middle line:84% certainly my staff, Nikita, Amanda, and most particularly 00:23:12.420 --> 00:23:14.790 align:middle line:84% Brian, and also Senator Brownsberger's staff, 00:23:14.790 --> 00:23:17.370 align:middle line:84% but also Paul Park in the LAS department 00:23:17.370 --> 00:23:19.200 align:middle line:84% for really doing such a nice job with it. 00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:21.690 align:middle line:84% And I appreciate the hard work they've done. 00:23:21.690 --> 00:23:25.260 align:middle line:84% The site is very comprehensive in some ways. 00:23:25.260 --> 00:23:27.630 align:middle line:84% We've been recognized by many people 00:23:27.630 --> 00:23:32.580 align:middle line:84% for having this up and having it be so interactive. 00:23:32.580 --> 00:23:35.940 align:middle line:84% It basically explains what redistricting is. 00:23:35.940 --> 00:23:39.750 align:middle line:84% It gives you the laws around redistricting, 00:23:39.750 --> 00:23:41.430 align:middle line:90% court cases that affect-- 00:23:41.430 --> 00:23:44.400 align:middle line:84% there is no direct handbook for how we do this, 00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:47.550 align:middle line:84% but you can get some guidance from case law that 00:23:47.550 --> 00:23:49.740 align:middle line:84% has happened over the years to kind of give you 00:23:49.740 --> 00:23:52.770 align:middle line:84% some instruction on where not to go and what to do. 00:23:52.770 --> 00:23:55.980 align:middle line:84% There is some current district maps are up there, 00:23:55.980 --> 00:23:58.800 align:middle line:84% historical district maps from years past. 00:23:58.800 --> 00:24:02.520 align:middle line:84% There is a calendar, which is not completely full yet. 00:24:02.520 --> 00:24:04.170 align:middle line:90% But on that end-- 00:24:04.170 --> 00:24:06.360 align:middle line:84% I will touch on it this way, is that our intent 00:24:06.360 --> 00:24:11.700 align:middle line:84% is to do at a minimum nine meetings 00:24:11.700 --> 00:24:14.070 align:middle line:90% in every congressional district. 00:24:14.070 --> 00:24:17.010 align:middle line:84% This meeting, the introductory meeting, 00:24:17.010 --> 00:24:19.500 align:middle line:84% probably a close-out hearing at the end, 00:24:19.500 --> 00:24:23.820 align:middle line:84% and then two additional hearings probably right after we 00:24:23.820 --> 00:24:25.950 align:middle line:84% have a comment period for when we 00:24:25.950 --> 00:24:28.440 align:middle line:84% release the maps, similar to what we did 10 years ago. 00:24:28.440 --> 00:24:29.730 align:middle line:90% That's at a minimum. 00:24:29.730 --> 00:24:31.470 align:middle line:90% If there is a need-- 00:24:31.470 --> 00:24:34.650 align:middle line:84% because maybe the census numbers don't come out or come out 00:24:34.650 --> 00:24:36.270 align:middle line:84% early or don't come out soon enough-- 00:24:36.270 --> 00:24:38.550 align:middle line:84% we will add hearings if we have to. 00:24:38.550 --> 00:24:40.680 align:middle line:84% There is no rule that says we can't. 00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:43.260 align:middle line:84% So that's essentially what the hearing schedule 00:24:43.260 --> 00:24:44.250 align:middle line:90% is going to look like. 00:24:44.250 --> 00:24:47.820 align:middle line:84% We're hoping to get those done in the next four months, 00:24:47.820 --> 00:24:51.330 align:middle line:84% wrapping up sometime in August with the main hearings. 00:24:51.330 --> 00:24:54.870 align:middle line:84% And then those last two hearings on comments 00:24:54.870 --> 00:24:58.650 align:middle line:84% will be after we release the maps for public consumption. 00:24:58.650 --> 00:25:00.390 align:middle line:84% On the website you can also find out 00:25:00.390 --> 00:25:03.150 align:middle line:90% your district, where you vote. 00:25:03.150 --> 00:25:07.170 align:middle line:84% You can also access a portal, which gives you the ability 00:25:07.170 --> 00:25:09.780 align:middle line:84% to download software, so you can draw your own maps 00:25:09.780 --> 00:25:11.790 align:middle line:90% and send them to us. 00:25:11.790 --> 00:25:13.500 align:middle line:84% Probably the most important thing 00:25:13.500 --> 00:25:16.320 align:middle line:84% is that there's a way you can contact the committee. 00:25:16.320 --> 00:25:18.060 align:middle line:84% And those emails will come directly 00:25:18.060 --> 00:25:21.250 align:middle line:84% to myself and the senator's offices. 00:25:21.250 --> 00:25:26.070 align:middle line:84% You can submit testimony, video or written. 00:25:26.070 --> 00:25:29.760 align:middle line:84% And you can have your voice heard in whichever way 00:25:29.760 --> 00:25:32.400 align:middle line:84% you choose to have it heard, whether it be at a hearing 00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:35.310 align:middle line:84% like this or with a video you want to send us 00:25:35.310 --> 00:25:37.780 align:middle line:90% or with a written testimony. 00:25:37.780 --> 00:25:40.020 align:middle line:90% So that's an important function. 00:25:40.020 --> 00:25:43.030 align:middle line:84% Another important function along with the closed captioning 00:25:43.030 --> 00:25:45.510 align:middle line:84% we have here today is that there is 00:25:45.510 --> 00:25:48.060 align:middle line:90% a language translator on there. 00:25:48.060 --> 00:25:52.470 align:middle line:90% 00:25:52.470 --> 00:25:56.580 align:middle line:84% It basically translates 110 languages 00:25:56.580 --> 00:25:58.620 align:middle line:90% into Google Translator. 00:25:58.620 --> 00:26:02.190 align:middle line:84% Not the best, but the best we could 00:26:02.190 --> 00:26:05.640 align:middle line:84% find with the biggest bandwidth to cover as many languages 00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:06.420 align:middle line:90% as we could. 00:26:06.420 --> 00:26:07.390 align:middle line:90% That's something new. 00:26:07.390 --> 00:26:09.510 align:middle line:84% I think that as well as the closed captioning 00:26:09.510 --> 00:26:11.940 align:middle line:84% are two added things that we did this year that we didn't 00:26:11.940 --> 00:26:14.580 align:middle line:84% do 10 years, which I think is going to make the process even 00:26:14.580 --> 00:26:16.290 align:middle line:90% better. 00:26:16.290 --> 00:26:19.080 align:middle line:84% As the senator said, this is really, 00:26:19.080 --> 00:26:23.730 align:middle line:84% for us and for me, the second time around. 00:26:23.730 --> 00:26:26.250 align:middle line:84% If I had a walk up song, it would probably be Shalamar, 00:26:26.250 --> 00:26:27.480 align:middle line:90% "Second Time Around." 00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:31.200 align:middle line:84% But I'm excited about it, because it 00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:33.780 align:middle line:84% does really afford us an opportunity 00:26:33.780 --> 00:26:39.012 align:middle line:84% to, as Frank so eloquently put, give people an option, 00:26:39.012 --> 00:26:40.470 align:middle line:84% give them a chance to have a voice, 00:26:40.470 --> 00:26:46.770 align:middle line:84% and maybe, maybe empower a group that might have been 00:26:46.770 --> 00:26:48.990 align:middle line:90% marginalized over the years. 00:26:48.990 --> 00:26:53.040 align:middle line:90% And I will just end with this. 00:26:53.040 --> 00:26:58.410 align:middle line:84% I want to really bring attention to the Senate president 00:26:58.410 --> 00:27:00.240 align:middle line:90% and the speaker of the House. 00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:02.370 align:middle line:84% The committee they put together here, 00:27:02.370 --> 00:27:06.022 align:middle line:84% from geography, ethnicity, gender, and seniority-- 00:27:06.022 --> 00:27:07.980 align:middle line:84% I mean, I introduced every member of the House, 00:27:07.980 --> 00:27:09.270 align:middle line:90% and I gave you their title. 00:27:09.270 --> 00:27:11.790 align:middle line:84% This is a very weighty committee with a lot 00:27:11.790 --> 00:27:13.770 align:middle line:84% of people on this committee that serve 00:27:13.770 --> 00:27:15.630 align:middle line:90% in House and Senate leadership. 00:27:15.630 --> 00:27:17.700 align:middle line:84% The Senate president and the speaker 00:27:17.700 --> 00:27:19.830 align:middle line:84% have been very, very good and clear 00:27:19.830 --> 00:27:24.210 align:middle line:84% that they would like to see as transparent a process as 00:27:24.210 --> 00:27:26.310 align:middle line:84% possible, and where you can improve upon what 00:27:26.310 --> 00:27:28.260 align:middle line:90% we did 10 years ago, do that. 00:27:28.260 --> 00:27:30.900 align:middle line:84% That was very clear from both branches 00:27:30.900 --> 00:27:32.310 align:middle line:90% that that's what they wanted. 00:27:32.310 --> 00:27:35.442 align:middle line:84% So I'm thrilled that we're having this hearing today. 00:27:35.442 --> 00:27:37.650 align:middle line:84% I'm thrilled that we're kicking this off in this way. 00:27:37.650 --> 00:27:40.230 align:middle line:84% I'm thrilled that the website is up and running. 00:27:40.230 --> 00:27:43.560 align:middle line:84% And I'm happy that you took time out of your schedule 00:27:43.560 --> 00:27:46.050 align:middle line:84% to join us and testify and give us your opinion. 00:27:46.050 --> 00:27:50.040 align:middle line:84% I'll turn it back over to my co-chair. 00:27:50.040 --> 00:27:52.260 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 00:27:52.260 --> 00:27:55.800 align:middle line:84% We're now going to turn to the segment of the hearing, which 00:27:55.800 --> 00:27:58.170 align:middle line:84% is the hearing, where we're going to listen 00:27:58.170 --> 00:28:00.240 align:middle line:90% to testimony from witnesses. 00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:03.870 align:middle line:84% And so let me just remind people who 00:28:03.870 --> 00:28:05.820 align:middle line:84% may be watching this on live stream 00:28:05.820 --> 00:28:10.380 align:middle line:84% that they can, should they choose, 00:28:10.380 --> 00:28:13.200 align:middle line:84% join the hearing as witnesses at any time. 00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:14.850 align:middle line:84% And the way for them to do that is 00:28:14.850 --> 00:28:20.820 align:middle line:84% to follow the link that appears on the schedule of the hearing. 00:28:20.820 --> 00:28:23.640 align:middle line:84% And just put your information into that form. 00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:30.060 align:middle line:84% And we will be checking that form at the end of the hearing. 00:28:30.060 --> 00:28:31.950 align:middle line:84% You'll come after those who have previously 00:28:31.950 --> 00:28:34.650 align:middle line:90% signed up on the form. 00:28:34.650 --> 00:28:41.160 align:middle line:84% And let me just welcome Senator Fattman who has joined us. 00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:45.390 align:middle line:84% Senator Fattman, why don't you just say hello. 00:28:45.390 --> 00:28:47.230 align:middle line:90% Hey, good morning, everyone. 00:28:47.230 --> 00:28:48.750 align:middle line:84% I'm sorry, I was at a ribbon cutting 00:28:48.750 --> 00:28:49.920 align:middle line:90% ceremony in my district. 00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:53.050 align:middle line:84% And I'm glad to be here and very excited to get to work. 00:28:53.050 --> 00:28:54.420 align:middle line:90% So thank you, Mr. Chairman. 00:28:54.420 --> 00:28:57.720 align:middle line:84% And I look forward to working with all of you. 00:28:57.720 --> 00:28:58.530 align:middle line:90% Great. 00:28:58.530 --> 00:29:01.090 align:middle line:90% Thank you so much. 00:29:01.090 --> 00:29:04.990 align:middle line:90% OK, so I'm going to now-- 00:29:04.990 --> 00:29:07.730 align:middle line:84% we'll see if we can get this working right. 00:29:07.730 --> 00:29:14.520 align:middle line:84% Going to open this up to a panel starting with Beth Wong. 00:29:14.520 --> 00:29:17.945 align:middle line:84% And I'm going to allow Beth to talk. 00:29:17.945 --> 00:29:20.070 align:middle line:84% And so you should be able to unmute yourself, Beth, 00:29:20.070 --> 00:29:21.150 align:middle line:90% when you're ready. 00:29:21.150 --> 00:29:26.190 align:middle line:84% And I see that you want to have also on your starting panel Pam 00:29:26.190 --> 00:29:30.330 align:middle line:84% Willmott, who I'm enabling, and Rahsaan-- 00:29:30.330 --> 00:29:33.120 align:middle line:90% 00:29:33.120 --> 00:29:35.750 align:middle line:90% has Rahsaan joined us? 00:29:35.750 --> 00:29:38.300 align:middle line:90% Forgive me if I don't see him. 00:29:38.300 --> 00:29:40.967 align:middle line:84% But you can tell me when you start testifying 00:29:40.967 --> 00:29:42.050 align:middle line:90% if you're missing anybody. 00:29:42.050 --> 00:29:46.520 align:middle line:84% I do see Eva, [? Malona, ?] whom I am allowing to talk, 00:29:46.520 --> 00:29:49.230 align:middle line:90% and Judy. 00:29:49.230 --> 00:29:51.750 align:middle line:90% I don't see Judy. 00:29:51.750 --> 00:29:58.320 align:middle line:84% All right, so witnesses, let me recognize Beth Wong to start. 00:29:58.320 --> 00:30:00.450 align:middle line:90% Go ahead, Beth. 00:30:00.450 --> 00:30:01.350 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 00:30:01.350 --> 00:30:04.320 align:middle line:84% And Elizabeth, who is the other co-president 00:30:04.320 --> 00:30:06.420 align:middle line:84% of the League of Women Voters will be testifying 00:30:06.420 --> 00:30:09.000 align:middle line:90% in place of Judy Zaunbrecher. 00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:12.450 align:middle line:84% Well, really, thank you, Chairs Brownsberger and Moran 00:30:12.450 --> 00:30:13.930 align:middle line:90% and members of the committee. 00:30:13.930 --> 00:30:15.510 align:middle line:84% Thank you so much for your time today 00:30:15.510 --> 00:30:17.700 align:middle line:84% to hear the members of the public 00:30:17.700 --> 00:30:20.970 align:middle line:84% and leaders of the Drawing Democracy Coalition. 00:30:20.970 --> 00:30:23.160 align:middle line:84% The Drawing Democracy Coalition strives 00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:27.000 align:middle line:84% to achieve fair districts that equitably represent communities 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:29.580 align:middle line:84% of color, low income people, and immigrants 00:30:29.580 --> 00:30:32.490 align:middle line:84% through a transparent process and maximum community 00:30:32.490 --> 00:30:33.900 align:middle line:90% engagement. 00:30:33.900 --> 00:30:36.900 align:middle line:84% We're so thrilled to work with you 00:30:36.900 --> 00:30:42.600 align:middle line:84% and work with all of the people across-- 00:30:42.600 --> 00:30:45.300 align:middle line:84% all of the representatives and senators 00:30:45.300 --> 00:30:50.490 align:middle line:90% across the legislature. 00:30:50.490 --> 00:30:52.680 align:middle line:84% So we as the Drawing Democracy Coalition 00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:54.450 align:middle line:84% have come together because we believe 00:30:54.450 --> 00:30:56.410 align:middle line:90% that representation matters. 00:30:56.410 --> 00:30:59.100 align:middle line:84% Our Commonwealth has changed in the past decade. 00:30:59.100 --> 00:31:01.410 align:middle line:84% And I'm sure that we'll see these changes reflected 00:31:01.410 --> 00:31:04.300 align:middle line:90% in the 2020 census results. 00:31:04.300 --> 00:31:06.150 align:middle line:84% Our population has likely increased 00:31:06.150 --> 00:31:09.810 align:middle line:84% by 5% to roughly 6.8 million people 00:31:09.810 --> 00:31:11.490 align:middle line:90% due to increased immigration. 00:31:11.490 --> 00:31:14.520 align:middle line:84% But many regions have lost population. 00:31:14.520 --> 00:31:16.770 align:middle line:84% We're looking for a statewide map that 00:31:16.770 --> 00:31:20.790 align:middle line:84% keeps our communities of interest whole and supports 00:31:20.790 --> 00:31:25.380 align:middle line:84% minority or majority BIPOC districts where people of color 00:31:25.380 --> 00:31:28.480 align:middle line:84% make up a majority of residents of the district. 00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:30.120 align:middle line:84% We want to ensure that communities 00:31:30.120 --> 00:31:33.450 align:middle line:84% have authentic representation and open new opportunities 00:31:33.450 --> 00:31:35.550 align:middle line:90% for representation. 00:31:35.550 --> 00:31:42.190 align:middle line:90% As community-- we-- 00:31:42.190 --> 00:31:44.650 align:middle line:84% Hey, Beth, what I just did to you there was I 00:31:44.650 --> 00:31:47.320 align:middle line:84% promoted you to be-- so that you could be visible 00:31:47.320 --> 00:31:48.820 align:middle line:90% while you're testifying. 00:31:48.820 --> 00:31:49.690 align:middle line:90% Got it. 00:31:49.690 --> 00:31:58.060 align:middle line:84% And I will do that for Eva and Pam as well. 00:31:58.060 --> 00:31:59.740 align:middle line:84% I guess that's what we'll do is-- 00:31:59.740 --> 00:32:01.570 align:middle line:84% I think it's probably-- it's a little more natural for you 00:32:01.570 --> 00:32:03.310 align:middle line:84% to be visible while you're testifying. 00:32:03.310 --> 00:32:05.090 align:middle line:84% And we do have the ability to do that. 00:32:05.090 --> 00:32:12.070 align:middle line:84% So consider yourself visible and carry on. 00:32:12.070 --> 00:32:14.212 align:middle line:84% Well, it's great to see all of you. 00:32:14.212 --> 00:32:16.170 align:middle line:84% I thought that my internet might have gone out. 00:32:16.170 --> 00:32:17.500 align:middle line:90% And I thought, uh-oh. 00:32:17.500 --> 00:32:20.140 align:middle line:90% This isn't good. 00:32:20.140 --> 00:32:21.470 align:middle line:90% Sorry, that's on me. 00:32:21.470 --> 00:32:22.960 align:middle line:90% OK, no worries. 00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:26.260 align:middle line:84% Well, really, it's good to see everyone here. 00:32:26.260 --> 00:32:29.620 align:middle line:84% And so as community leaders, legal advocates, 00:32:29.620 --> 00:32:32.230 align:middle line:84% and researchers, we seek to collaborate with all of you 00:32:32.230 --> 00:32:34.270 align:middle line:84% on the Joint Committee on Redistricting 00:32:34.270 --> 00:32:36.160 align:middle line:84% and the state legislature as a whole 00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:39.170 align:middle line:84% in order to accomplish a few key goals. 00:32:39.170 --> 00:32:43.210 align:middle line:84% The first is to use the data from the 2020 census 00:32:43.210 --> 00:32:46.180 align:middle line:84% to create maps that ensure that the voices of people 00:32:46.180 --> 00:32:49.340 align:middle line:84% of color, low income people, and immigrants are heard. 00:32:49.340 --> 00:32:52.720 align:middle line:84% The second major goals of the Drawing Democracy Coalition 00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:55.660 align:middle line:84% is to educate and mobilize community members 00:32:55.660 --> 00:32:58.450 align:middle line:84% to participate in public forums and provide feedback 00:32:58.450 --> 00:32:59.980 align:middle line:90% on district maps. 00:32:59.980 --> 00:33:03.430 align:middle line:84% Our third major goal is to democratize access 00:33:03.430 --> 00:33:05.890 align:middle line:84% to data and mapping tools in order 00:33:05.890 --> 00:33:09.010 align:middle line:84% to increase community voice in redistricting. 00:33:09.010 --> 00:33:10.780 align:middle line:84% And then finally, we are advocating 00:33:10.780 --> 00:33:13.780 align:middle line:84% for a redistricting process that is transparent and open 00:33:13.780 --> 00:33:15.340 align:middle line:90% to everyone. 00:33:15.340 --> 00:33:19.510 align:middle line:84% We're looking to collaborate with you in this committee 00:33:19.510 --> 00:33:22.360 align:middle line:84% to create maps that, first, preserve communities 00:33:22.360 --> 00:33:27.070 align:middle line:84% of interest, second, ensure that communities of color 00:33:27.070 --> 00:33:30.820 align:middle line:84% can elect candidates of their own choice, 00:33:30.820 --> 00:33:32.920 align:middle line:84% of their own preference, and then 00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:35.770 align:middle line:84% to create majority minority districts 00:33:35.770 --> 00:33:39.040 align:middle line:84% or multiracial coalition districts, and then finally, 00:33:39.040 --> 00:33:41.410 align:middle line:84% to even the population of districts 00:33:41.410 --> 00:33:45.460 align:middle line:84% based on incarceration rates within allowable deviations. 00:33:45.460 --> 00:33:46.930 align:middle line:84% By the end of this process, we hope 00:33:46.930 --> 00:33:49.630 align:middle line:84% to share with this committee a statewide unity 00:33:49.630 --> 00:33:51.910 align:middle line:84% map that represents the views and interests 00:33:51.910 --> 00:33:53.650 align:middle line:90% of a broad coalition. 00:33:53.650 --> 00:33:56.230 align:middle line:84% We are collaborating with trusted grassroots leaders, 00:33:56.230 --> 00:33:59.470 align:middle line:84% civil rights and immigrants rights organizations, 00:33:59.470 --> 00:34:02.560 align:middle line:84% philanthropists, researchers, and political scientists, 00:34:02.560 --> 00:34:04.510 align:middle line:90% and data experts. 00:34:04.510 --> 00:34:08.110 align:middle line:84% And we plan to work with thousands of ordinary citizens 00:34:08.110 --> 00:34:10.000 align:middle line:84% to ensure that people are involved 00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:12.790 align:middle line:84% in a participatory redistricting process. 00:34:12.790 --> 00:34:15.639 align:middle line:84% We so look forward to this partnership 00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:18.969 align:middle line:84% with this committee to draw fair maps that serve our communities 00:34:18.969 --> 00:34:20.230 align:middle line:90% in the next decade. 00:34:20.230 --> 00:34:22.840 align:middle line:84% Thank you for your collaboration and partnership, 00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:24.880 align:middle line:84% and I look forward to hearing from my colleagues 00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:25.840 align:middle line:90% in this coalition. 00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:30.210 align:middle line:90% 00:34:30.210 --> 00:34:34.110 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Beth. 00:34:34.110 --> 00:34:36.690 align:middle line:84% The next member of the panel would be who? 00:34:36.690 --> 00:34:38.219 align:middle line:90% 00:34:38.219 --> 00:34:40.010 align:middle line:90% This is Rahsaan. 00:34:40.010 --> 00:34:42.030 align:middle line:90% I think I'll go next. 00:34:42.030 --> 00:34:46.210 align:middle line:84% Good morning, Chair Brownsberger and Chair Moran. 00:34:46.210 --> 00:34:51.600 align:middle line:84% Thank you both so much and to the members of this august 00:34:51.600 --> 00:34:53.730 align:middle line:90% body. 00:34:53.730 --> 00:34:54.790 align:middle line:90% I'm excited. 00:34:54.790 --> 00:34:57.490 align:middle line:84% I'm a little giddy just thinking about 00:34:57.490 --> 00:35:01.530 align:middle line:84% the geographic representation here 00:35:01.530 --> 00:35:04.200 align:middle line:84% and how important that is to redistricting, 00:35:04.200 --> 00:35:09.690 align:middle line:84% but also the racial and ethnic diversity of this commission 00:35:09.690 --> 00:35:12.730 align:middle line:84% are so important to this process. 00:35:12.730 --> 00:35:16.620 align:middle line:84% So thank you for your time, your interest 00:35:16.620 --> 00:35:20.550 align:middle line:84% in this, your commitment in earnest to this work. 00:35:20.550 --> 00:35:21.750 align:middle line:90% My name is Rahsaan Hall. 00:35:21.750 --> 00:35:23.820 align:middle line:84% I am the director of the Racial Justice 00:35:23.820 --> 00:35:26.730 align:middle line:84% Program for the American Civil Liberties Union 00:35:26.730 --> 00:35:28.570 align:middle line:90% of Massachusetts. 00:35:28.570 --> 00:35:32.670 align:middle line:84% ACLU is proud to be a part of the Drawing Democracy 00:35:32.670 --> 00:35:36.270 align:middle line:84% Coalition, and I personally am proud to be 00:35:36.270 --> 00:35:40.320 align:middle line:84% a part of it this time, as I was 10 years ago 00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:43.530 align:middle line:84% when I was deputy director at the Lawyers Committee 00:35:43.530 --> 00:35:46.380 align:middle line:84% for Civil Rights, now Lawyers for Civil Rights. 00:35:46.380 --> 00:35:50.460 align:middle line:84% And that process really left a good impression on me, 00:35:50.460 --> 00:35:54.520 align:middle line:84% and it is my hope that it is met again this time. 00:35:54.520 --> 00:35:58.380 align:middle line:84% When redistricting is conducted properly, 00:35:58.380 --> 00:36:02.280 align:middle line:84% district lines are redrawn to reflect the population change. 00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:04.710 align:middle line:84% And it's important, as Beth mentioned, 00:36:04.710 --> 00:36:08.220 align:middle line:84% for voters of color to be able to elect candidates 00:36:08.220 --> 00:36:09.060 align:middle line:90% of their choice. 00:36:09.060 --> 00:36:12.900 align:middle line:84% And 10 years ago, Massachusetts lawmakers 00:36:12.900 --> 00:36:16.110 align:middle line:84% increased the number of districts where voters of color 00:36:16.110 --> 00:36:19.140 align:middle line:84% were able to elect candidates of their choice. 00:36:19.140 --> 00:36:20.850 align:middle line:84% I think Representative Moran made 00:36:20.850 --> 00:36:25.170 align:middle line:84% a very compelling and moving statement to that effect. 00:36:25.170 --> 00:36:28.620 align:middle line:84% And given the shift in demographics, 00:36:28.620 --> 00:36:31.330 align:middle line:84% it's important that we account for that. 00:36:31.330 --> 00:36:35.940 align:middle line:84% And so this year we look forward to working with this committee 00:36:35.940 --> 00:36:38.460 align:middle line:84% to ensure that our state's maps are 00:36:38.460 --> 00:36:43.050 align:middle line:84% drawn fairly and proportionately and equitably. 00:36:43.050 --> 00:36:49.620 align:middle line:84% Redistricting is a key racial equity issue. 00:36:49.620 --> 00:36:54.570 align:middle line:84% It's so key in ensuring that appropriate resources get 00:36:54.570 --> 00:36:57.630 align:middle line:84% to communities that have been historically 00:36:57.630 --> 00:37:00.180 align:middle line:90% marginalized and overlooked. 00:37:00.180 --> 00:37:04.590 align:middle line:84% But it's also important in getting people of color, voters 00:37:04.590 --> 00:37:08.700 align:middle line:84% of color, but specifically Black and Latinx people, voters, 00:37:08.700 --> 00:37:10.280 align:middle line:90% to turn out and vote. 00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:12.780 align:middle line:84% A part of what redistricting does 00:37:12.780 --> 00:37:16.800 align:middle line:84% is help overcome voter apathy and cynicism. 00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:19.350 align:middle line:84% When voters in communities of color 00:37:19.350 --> 00:37:22.920 align:middle line:84% are unable to elect the candidate that represents 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:26.070 align:middle line:84% their values, their interests, their concerns 00:37:26.070 --> 00:37:28.560 align:middle line:84% and their desires for their community, 00:37:28.560 --> 00:37:30.630 align:middle line:84% to help them build the vision of the world 00:37:30.630 --> 00:37:33.480 align:middle line:84% that they want to live in, the community 00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:35.250 align:middle line:90% becomes disillusioned. 00:37:35.250 --> 00:37:38.610 align:middle line:84% And when those candidates never succeed, 00:37:38.610 --> 00:37:44.490 align:middle line:84% year after year, election after election, because of dilution 00:37:44.490 --> 00:37:47.670 align:middle line:84% whether of the voting bloc, whether intentionally 00:37:47.670 --> 00:37:51.900 align:middle line:84% or unintentionally, it not only frustrates the voters, 00:37:51.900 --> 00:37:54.570 align:middle line:84% but it can lead to a decline in voter turnout 00:37:54.570 --> 00:37:58.020 align:middle line:84% and a subsequent lack of representation 00:37:58.020 --> 00:38:01.350 align:middle line:84% and responsiveness to the concerns of the people 00:38:01.350 --> 00:38:03.150 align:middle line:90% in those very communities. 00:38:03.150 --> 00:38:05.360 align:middle line:84% And we've seen it before, you know. 00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:08.070 align:middle line:84% Black Political Task Force v. Galvin, 00:38:08.070 --> 00:38:11.640 align:middle line:84% when black voters were packed into the then 6th Suffolk 00:38:11.640 --> 00:38:15.060 align:middle line:84% district, which covered Dorchester and Mattapan. 00:38:15.060 --> 00:38:18.930 align:middle line:84% And after that packing, the then 11th Suffolk 00:38:18.930 --> 00:38:21.570 align:middle line:84% became a majority white district. 00:38:21.570 --> 00:38:26.480 align:middle line:84% And, you know, that wasn't the experience the last cycle. 00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:29.490 align:middle line:84% And that experience back in 2001 had 00:38:29.490 --> 00:38:31.800 align:middle line:90% some pretty grave consequences. 00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:37.590 align:middle line:84% But in 2011, that process, that was led by former Senator Stan 00:38:37.590 --> 00:38:40.860 align:middle line:84% Rosenberg and Chair Moran, again, 00:38:40.860 --> 00:38:45.210 align:middle line:84% was open and transparent and accessible and engaging. 00:38:45.210 --> 00:38:48.090 align:middle line:84% And as a member of the Drawing Democracy Coalition, 00:38:48.090 --> 00:38:52.980 align:middle line:84% our expectations then were not only met but exceeded, 00:38:52.980 --> 00:38:56.640 align:middle line:84% and we are hoping to see the same thing this session. 00:38:56.640 --> 00:39:00.090 align:middle line:84% So looking forward to continuing to work with you all, 00:39:00.090 --> 00:39:05.670 align:middle line:84% and really encouraged by what we're seeing so far. 00:39:05.670 --> 00:39:08.970 align:middle line:90% Thank you so much, Rahsaan. 00:39:08.970 --> 00:39:12.285 align:middle line:90% Let's see, is Pam next? 00:39:12.285 --> 00:39:13.106 align:middle line:90% Pam Wellman? 00:39:13.106 --> 00:39:13.920 align:middle line:90% Yep. 00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:16.080 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 00:39:16.080 --> 00:39:18.210 align:middle line:84% Chairman Moran, Chairman Brownsberger, 00:39:18.210 --> 00:39:20.910 align:middle line:84% and members of the committee, it is so great 00:39:20.910 --> 00:39:24.540 align:middle line:84% to be here with you all today and see so many 00:39:24.540 --> 00:39:27.870 align:middle line:90% faces from 10 years ago. 00:39:27.870 --> 00:39:29.220 align:middle line:90% My name is Pam Wilmot. 00:39:29.220 --> 00:39:35.070 align:middle line:84% I am now Vise President of State Operations for a Common Cause. 00:39:35.070 --> 00:39:38.100 align:middle line:84% We are a national non-profit with chapters 00:39:38.100 --> 00:39:40.350 align:middle line:84% across the country, and we advocate 00:39:40.350 --> 00:39:44.250 align:middle line:84% for free and fair elections, open, accountable government, 00:39:44.250 --> 00:39:49.860 align:middle line:84% and full equitable participation by all. 00:39:49.860 --> 00:39:53.880 align:middle line:84% This is probably the most important committee 00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:58.740 align:middle line:90% that is happening this year. 00:39:58.740 --> 00:40:01.110 align:middle line:84% Redistricting is really the process 00:40:01.110 --> 00:40:05.160 align:middle line:84% by which government determines who can vote for whom, 00:40:05.160 --> 00:40:11.290 align:middle line:84% and even though we had a great experience-- 00:40:11.290 --> 00:40:15.420 align:middle line:84% and I'll talk about that in a minute-- 00:40:15.420 --> 00:40:18.570 align:middle line:84% throughout its history, this process 00:40:18.570 --> 00:40:21.930 align:middle line:84% has been one that has been plagued by controversy. 00:40:21.930 --> 00:40:26.250 align:middle line:84% And I've been asked to sort of put this in context. 00:40:26.250 --> 00:40:30.540 align:middle line:84% We all know that in 1812 the Massachusetts governor, 00:40:30.540 --> 00:40:36.210 align:middle line:84% Elbridge Gerry, signed a plan that pundits 00:40:36.210 --> 00:40:38.040 align:middle line:84% said looked like a salamander, and hence 00:40:38.040 --> 00:40:40.140 align:middle line:90% the idea of gerrymandering. 00:40:40.140 --> 00:40:43.020 align:middle line:84% And that process was actually honed in the South 00:40:43.020 --> 00:40:47.070 align:middle line:84% to disenfranchise black voters, as well 00:40:47.070 --> 00:40:49.500 align:middle line:84% as other places in the country of course, 00:40:49.500 --> 00:40:53.370 align:middle line:84% and then various places at various times 00:40:53.370 --> 00:40:57.240 align:middle line:84% to disenfranchise members of minority parties, 00:40:57.240 --> 00:40:59.880 align:middle line:84% whether they're Democrats or Republicans. 00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:03.030 align:middle line:84% And then as technological tools increase, 00:41:03.030 --> 00:41:05.730 align:middle line:84% the sophistication of that process 00:41:05.730 --> 00:41:11.170 align:middle line:84% became even more problem-- well, not more problematic, 00:41:11.170 --> 00:41:12.840 align:middle line:90% but more subtle. 00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:17.670 align:middle line:90% And it still exists to this day. 00:41:17.670 --> 00:41:20.260 align:middle line:84% As Rahsaan mentioned, even here in Massachusetts 00:41:20.260 --> 00:41:26.190 align:middle line:84% we've had our troubles in 2004, and in 1993 Federal District 00:41:26.190 --> 00:41:29.220 align:middle line:84% Court struck down our state redistricting plans, 00:41:29.220 --> 00:41:30.840 align:middle line:84% or at least one of them, finding them 00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:34.220 align:middle line:84% in violation of the Federal Voting Rights Act. 00:41:34.220 --> 00:41:39.140 align:middle line:84% But things were very different last time around. 00:41:39.140 --> 00:41:45.740 align:middle line:84% In the last cycle, the legislature really and you 00:41:45.740 --> 00:41:48.500 align:middle line:90% all did a terrific job. 00:41:48.500 --> 00:41:51.140 align:middle line:84% Common Cause and Drawing Democracy Coalition 00:41:51.140 --> 00:41:54.110 align:middle line:84% were so pleased with the transparent and collaborative 00:41:54.110 --> 00:41:57.680 align:middle line:84% process this committee engaged in 2011 00:41:57.680 --> 00:42:03.290 align:middle line:84% and that we are starting off in again this time around. 00:42:03.290 --> 00:42:06.440 align:middle line:84% As you know, I've been a close observer of the Massachusetts 00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:12.080 align:middle line:84% legislative process for over 25 years, and I like to say, 00:42:12.080 --> 00:42:14.390 align:middle line:84% and I think it's no exaggeration, 00:42:14.390 --> 00:42:19.340 align:middle line:84% that the redistricting process was the most transparent piece 00:42:19.340 --> 00:42:24.290 align:middle line:84% of legislation that has been adopted 00:42:24.290 --> 00:42:27.230 align:middle line:90% in the legislature in 25 years. 00:42:27.230 --> 00:42:30.200 align:middle line:84% And the maps produced and the process 00:42:30.200 --> 00:42:32.180 align:middle line:84% by which they were released accomplish 00:42:32.180 --> 00:42:35.210 align:middle line:84% all the goals that we had been advocating for. 00:42:35.210 --> 00:42:39.830 align:middle line:84% Representation of communities of color, compact districts, 00:42:39.830 --> 00:42:42.050 align:middle line:84% keeping municipal boundaries together, 00:42:42.050 --> 00:42:46.190 align:middle line:84% maximal transparency and public participation. 00:42:46.190 --> 00:42:50.000 align:middle line:84% I particularly point out the two week public comment period 00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:52.040 align:middle line:90% after the maps were released. 00:42:52.040 --> 00:42:55.550 align:middle line:84% It was unique for legislation in my experience, 00:42:55.550 --> 00:42:57.410 align:middle line:90% and very laudable. 00:42:57.410 --> 00:43:02.090 align:middle line:84% It gave our groups and the Drawing Democracy Coalition 00:43:02.090 --> 00:43:05.390 align:middle line:84% and many others the opportunity to weigh in and suggest 00:43:05.390 --> 00:43:08.000 align:middle line:84% changes, some of which were adopted 00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:10.390 align:middle line:84% to make the process and the maps better. 00:43:10.390 --> 00:43:13.070 align:middle line:90% 00:43:13.070 --> 00:43:16.310 align:middle line:84% Having the map making tools on the web, 00:43:16.310 --> 00:43:20.180 align:middle line:84% holding all the hearings that were 00:43:20.180 --> 00:43:24.410 align:middle line:84% attended by over 3,000 people, was a really significant 00:43:24.410 --> 00:43:26.240 align:middle line:90% achievement. 00:43:26.240 --> 00:43:28.820 align:middle line:84% In terms of the actual maps, seeing the increase 00:43:28.820 --> 00:43:32.120 align:middle line:84% in number of districts where communities of color 00:43:32.120 --> 00:43:35.420 align:middle line:84% were in the majority were significantly increased 00:43:35.420 --> 00:43:40.670 align:middle line:84% and made a historic impact in historically disenfranchised 00:43:40.670 --> 00:43:43.550 align:middle line:84% communities being able to elect representatives 00:43:43.550 --> 00:43:45.290 align:middle line:90% of their choice. 00:43:45.290 --> 00:43:47.570 align:middle line:90% All of these factors-- 00:43:47.570 --> 00:43:50.330 align:middle line:84% and of course we also increased the compactness 00:43:50.330 --> 00:43:55.610 align:middle line:84% of the districts and minimized the number of communities 00:43:55.610 --> 00:43:57.150 align:middle line:90% that were split-- 00:43:57.150 --> 00:43:59.600 align:middle line:84% all these factors contributed to Massachusetts 00:43:59.600 --> 00:44:03.410 align:middle line:84% receiving an A grade for our redistricting process 00:44:03.410 --> 00:44:06.290 align:middle line:84% from the Center for Public Integrity. 00:44:06.290 --> 00:44:08.990 align:middle line:84% That is really something I think you all 00:44:08.990 --> 00:44:10.820 align:middle line:90% should be very proud of. 00:44:10.820 --> 00:44:13.490 align:middle line:84% And quite simply, if you do as good a job 00:44:13.490 --> 00:44:17.000 align:middle line:84% as you did last time, I think we'll be doing very well. 00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:21.650 align:middle line:84% So, specifically adhering to the same principles of transparency 00:44:21.650 --> 00:44:25.970 align:middle line:84% and openness, open door policy, holding all the public hearings 00:44:25.970 --> 00:44:28.340 align:middle line:84% we were talking about, accepting public maps, 00:44:28.340 --> 00:44:32.540 align:middle line:84% having tools to facilitate that, your website 00:44:32.540 --> 00:44:36.260 align:middle line:84% that you just released, having significant public comment 00:44:36.260 --> 00:44:39.710 align:middle line:84% periods even after body maps are released, 00:44:39.710 --> 00:44:44.780 align:middle line:84% adhering to strict map making criteria-- 00:44:44.780 --> 00:44:47.210 align:middle line:84% such as allowing disenfranchised communities 00:44:47.210 --> 00:44:50.990 align:middle line:84% adequate representation, combatness, continuity, 00:44:50.990 --> 00:44:54.650 align:middle line:84% population equality, grouping communities of interest 00:44:54.650 --> 00:44:57.170 align:middle line:84% and maintaining municipal boundaries-- 00:44:57.170 --> 00:45:00.380 align:middle line:84% and then just choosing those things-- 00:45:00.380 --> 00:45:04.310 align:middle line:84% public input, transparency, map making criteria-- 00:45:04.310 --> 00:45:08.360 align:middle line:84% over other things that sometimes are easier to hold, 00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:11.580 align:middle line:84% which is the people that you know directly. 00:45:11.580 --> 00:45:15.260 align:middle line:84% So thank you again for your work in the past. 00:45:15.260 --> 00:45:18.590 align:middle line:84% And for this time around, we look forward 00:45:18.590 --> 00:45:20.300 align:middle line:84% to working with you, and I know you're 00:45:20.300 --> 00:45:22.850 align:middle line:84% going to get an A grade again this year. 00:45:22.850 --> 00:45:25.008 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 00:45:25.008 --> 00:45:26.360 align:middle line:90% May it be so. 00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:28.370 align:middle line:90% That is our goal. 00:45:28.370 --> 00:45:29.930 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 00:45:29.930 --> 00:45:33.500 align:middle line:90% Let's see, next up is who? 00:45:33.500 --> 00:45:35.370 align:middle line:90% Is that-- 00:45:35.370 --> 00:45:38.190 align:middle line:84% Well, can I-- I have Bud Williams just joined us. 00:45:38.190 --> 00:45:40.170 align:middle line:90% Can I introduce Bud Williams? 00:45:40.170 --> 00:45:41.438 align:middle line:90% Please. 00:45:41.438 --> 00:45:43.230 align:middle line:84% Representative Bud Williams of Springfield. 00:45:43.230 --> 00:45:46.770 align:middle line:84% He is the chair of the Racial Equity Civil Rights 00:45:46.770 --> 00:45:48.627 align:middle line:90% and Inclusion Committee. 00:45:48.627 --> 00:45:49.710 align:middle line:90% He hails from Springfield. 00:45:49.710 --> 00:45:51.610 align:middle line:84% Bud Williams, want to say hi to everybody? 00:45:51.610 --> 00:45:53.550 align:middle line:90% Yeah, I do apologize. 00:45:53.550 --> 00:45:55.960 align:middle line:84% I just received the link like 10 minutes ago. 00:45:55.960 --> 00:45:59.610 align:middle line:84% So one of those list problems, I think. 00:45:59.610 --> 00:46:01.350 align:middle line:84% But thank you all for doing the meeting. 00:46:01.350 --> 00:46:01.950 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 00:46:01.950 --> 00:46:03.420 align:middle line:90% Yep, happy to have you, Bud. 00:46:03.420 --> 00:46:05.880 align:middle line:90% Yep. 00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:06.480 align:middle line:90% Let's see. 00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:10.120 align:middle line:90% Eva Millona? 00:46:10.120 --> 00:46:10.880 align:middle line:90% Good morning. 00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:15.820 align:middle line:84% Thank you Chairman Brownsberger, Chairman Moran, 00:46:15.820 --> 00:46:18.040 align:middle line:84% distinguished members of the committee. 00:46:18.040 --> 00:46:20.420 align:middle line:84% Thank you for allowing me to testify 00:46:20.420 --> 00:46:22.720 align:middle line:84% and thank you so much for holding 00:46:22.720 --> 00:46:24.250 align:middle line:90% this very important hearing. 00:46:24.250 --> 00:46:25.780 align:middle line:90% My name is Eva Millona. 00:46:25.780 --> 00:46:28.930 align:middle line:84% I am the president and CEO of Massachusetts Immigrant 00:46:28.930 --> 00:46:32.110 align:middle line:84% and Refugee Advocacy Coalition, representing 00:46:32.110 --> 00:46:37.315 align:middle line:84% over 130 institutional members across our commonwealth. 00:46:37.315 --> 00:46:41.620 align:middle line:84% MIRA is also a key partner of Drawing Democracy Coalition 00:46:41.620 --> 00:46:45.190 align:middle line:84% and was deeply involved in 2020 Census Advocacy. 00:46:45.190 --> 00:46:48.940 align:middle line:84% I had the privilege of chairing the state wide 2020 Census 00:46:48.940 --> 00:46:51.650 align:middle line:90% Complete Count Committee. 00:46:51.650 --> 00:46:55.580 align:middle line:84% 10 years ago, we enjoyed a strong partnership 00:46:55.580 --> 00:47:00.110 align:middle line:84% with the committee, and we are confident that our partnership 00:47:00.110 --> 00:47:03.170 align:middle line:84% will be even stronger this time around. 00:47:03.170 --> 00:47:05.840 align:middle line:84% Today, I would outline some of the ways 00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:08.840 align:middle line:84% we hope to collaborate throughout the redistricting 00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:12.560 align:middle line:84% process, which will have great consequences 00:47:12.560 --> 00:47:15.620 align:middle line:84% for immigrant communities for the next decade, 00:47:15.620 --> 00:47:18.620 align:middle line:84% both for ensuring an accurate and fair distribution 00:47:18.620 --> 00:47:21.350 align:middle line:84% of resources and for facilitating 00:47:21.350 --> 00:47:25.700 align:middle line:84% the election of immigrants and people of color to office. 00:47:25.700 --> 00:47:30.740 align:middle line:84% In Massachusetts, where one in five state representatives 00:47:30.740 --> 00:47:34.490 align:middle line:84% is a foreign-born, it is critical to the well-being 00:47:34.490 --> 00:47:37.310 align:middle line:84% of everyone that the state and local government 00:47:37.310 --> 00:47:41.120 align:middle line:84% reflect the diversity of our great state. 00:47:41.120 --> 00:47:46.440 align:middle line:84% We faced immense challenges in ensuring the 2020 census count, 00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:48.980 align:middle line:84% including immigrant communities, in the midst 00:47:48.980 --> 00:47:54.530 align:middle line:84% of a pandemic both viral and political 00:47:54.530 --> 00:47:56.650 align:middle line:90% that continues to unfold. 00:47:56.650 --> 00:47:59.470 align:middle line:84% We must apply lessons from our census work 00:47:59.470 --> 00:48:03.820 align:middle line:84% for the redistricting process, particularly the importance 00:48:03.820 --> 00:48:06.220 align:middle line:84% of meeting immigrant communities where they 00:48:06.220 --> 00:48:10.780 align:middle line:84% are with multilingual, culturally competent outreach 00:48:10.780 --> 00:48:15.770 align:middle line:84% and education, and the real message on why 00:48:15.770 --> 00:48:20.180 align:middle line:84% they should participate and why is that so important. 00:48:20.180 --> 00:48:22.990 align:middle line:84% MIRA respectfully requests that this committee 00:48:22.990 --> 00:48:27.040 align:middle line:84% hold accessible public hearings that prioritize gateway 00:48:27.040 --> 00:48:31.180 align:middle line:84% cities, Boston, and rural Massachusetts, and use 00:48:31.180 --> 00:48:34.660 align:middle line:84% closed captioning to address linguistic barriers 00:48:34.660 --> 00:48:36.800 align:middle line:90% of the foreign born community. 00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:39.100 align:middle line:84% We look forward to partnering with you 00:48:39.100 --> 00:48:42.580 align:middle line:84% to ensure the participation of our commonwealth's 00:48:42.580 --> 00:48:46.310 align:middle line:90% many immigrant communities. 00:48:46.310 --> 00:48:49.030 align:middle line:84% We also respectfully request, when 00:48:49.030 --> 00:48:52.990 align:middle line:84% drawing the new district this committee will consider 00:48:52.990 --> 00:48:58.420 align:middle line:84% the Drawing Democracy Coalition unity map to ensure that people 00:48:58.420 --> 00:49:02.530 align:middle line:84% of color, low-income people, and immigrants 00:49:02.530 --> 00:49:05.760 align:middle line:90% will have their voices heard. 00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:10.050 align:middle line:84% Overall, we seek a transparent process with data and mapping 00:49:10.050 --> 00:49:14.520 align:middle line:84% tools that are widely available, easy to use, 00:49:14.520 --> 00:49:17.010 align:middle line:84% and translated into the languages 00:49:17.010 --> 00:49:21.410 align:middle line:84% most commonly spoken in our state. 00:49:21.410 --> 00:49:23.780 align:middle line:84% The best way to ensure that immigrants 00:49:23.780 --> 00:49:27.290 align:middle line:84% have a seat at the table throughout this process 00:49:27.290 --> 00:49:30.940 align:middle line:84% is to partner with trusted community organizations 00:49:30.940 --> 00:49:36.020 align:middle line:84% like our members and the Drawing Democracy Coalition. 00:49:36.020 --> 00:49:40.790 align:middle line:84% We know our communities best, and we have earned their trust. 00:49:40.790 --> 00:49:43.550 align:middle line:84% We look forward to our continuing collaboration 00:49:43.550 --> 00:49:45.170 align:middle line:90% throughout this process. 00:49:45.170 --> 00:49:47.210 align:middle line:84% Together, we can elevate the voices 00:49:47.210 --> 00:49:49.760 align:middle line:84% of those who are most underrepresented 00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:54.020 align:middle line:84% and ensure a more equitable and accountable democracy. 00:49:54.020 --> 00:49:56.690 align:middle line:84% Thank you again for the amazing work that you are doing 00:49:56.690 --> 00:49:59.240 align:middle line:84% and for the opportunity to speak to you today. 00:49:59.240 --> 00:50:00.790 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 00:50:00.790 --> 00:50:02.680 align:middle line:90% Thank you very much. 00:50:02.680 --> 00:50:05.290 align:middle line:84% Also on this panel, the League of-- 00:50:05.290 --> 00:50:07.820 align:middle line:84% is that Elizabeth Foster-Nolan, please? 00:50:07.820 --> 00:50:09.800 align:middle line:90% Yes, good morning. 00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:13.450 align:middle line:84% Thank you to the Redistricting Committee, the Chair, Senator 00:50:13.450 --> 00:50:16.900 align:middle line:84% William Brownsberger, and Representative Mike Moran 00:50:16.900 --> 00:50:19.210 align:middle line:84% as well as other members of this distinguished 00:50:19.210 --> 00:50:21.850 align:middle line:84% committee for hosting this public hearing, 00:50:21.850 --> 00:50:25.300 align:middle line:84% and for their commitment to engaging 00:50:25.300 --> 00:50:29.350 align:middle line:84% grassroots organizations throughout this entire process. 00:50:29.350 --> 00:50:31.240 align:middle line:84% My name is Elizabeth Foster-Nolan. 00:50:31.240 --> 00:50:33.100 align:middle line:84% I'm a co-president of the League of Women 00:50:33.100 --> 00:50:34.960 align:middle line:90% Voters of Massachusetts. 00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:38.102 align:middle line:84% My other co-president, Judy Zaunbrecher, who many of you 00:50:38.102 --> 00:50:42.850 align:middle line:84% know, was unable to attend today and sends her apologies, 00:50:42.850 --> 00:50:47.170 align:middle line:84% but she will be back at the next meeting. 00:50:47.170 --> 00:50:50.560 align:middle line:84% We are also a very proud member of the Drawing Democracy 00:50:50.560 --> 00:50:54.640 align:middle line:84% Coalition, and are pleased to be part of that organization 00:50:54.640 --> 00:50:58.720 align:middle line:84% and pleased to be able to testify today. 00:50:58.720 --> 00:51:01.600 align:middle line:84% The League of Voters of Massachusetts 00:51:01.600 --> 00:51:05.230 align:middle line:84% supports continuing and enhancing 00:51:05.230 --> 00:51:07.180 align:middle line:84% the wonderful redistricting process that 00:51:07.180 --> 00:51:09.730 align:middle line:84% was implemented by the Joint Committee 00:51:09.730 --> 00:51:12.220 align:middle line:90% on Redistricting in 2011. 00:51:12.220 --> 00:51:14.740 align:middle line:84% The process included 12 open hearings 00:51:14.740 --> 00:51:18.310 align:middle line:84% across the state to solicit public testimony 00:51:18.310 --> 00:51:20.080 align:middle line:84% on the division of the commonwealth 00:51:20.080 --> 00:51:23.650 align:middle line:84% and to congressional, legislative, and governor 00:51:23.650 --> 00:51:27.820 align:middle line:84% council districts, and 4 public hearings on the proposed 00:51:27.820 --> 00:51:29.680 align:middle line:90% redistricting maps. 00:51:29.680 --> 00:51:33.400 align:middle line:84% The League urges the committee to conduct at least this number 00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:35.860 align:middle line:90% of hearings in 2021. 00:51:35.860 --> 00:51:38.140 align:middle line:84% The League also encourages the committee 00:51:38.140 --> 00:51:41.500 align:middle line:84% to use the open meeting law standards for the committee's 00:51:41.500 --> 00:51:43.180 align:middle line:90% work. 00:51:43.180 --> 00:51:46.810 align:middle line:84% Full disclosure of the process and the timelines 00:51:46.810 --> 00:51:49.630 align:middle line:84% encourages the public participation 00:51:49.630 --> 00:51:51.640 align:middle line:90% in this redistricting process. 00:51:51.640 --> 00:51:56.380 align:middle line:84% We were very happy to see the launch of the website that 00:51:56.380 --> 00:52:00.970 align:middle line:84% happened, as we believe that the website does need 00:52:00.970 --> 00:52:04.870 align:middle line:84% to be designed, and from the brief look 00:52:04.870 --> 00:52:09.760 align:middle line:84% that I was able to take, it is a public-facing website, 00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:11.470 align:middle line:90% which is great. 00:52:11.470 --> 00:52:15.490 align:middle line:84% Because we believe this will encourage unbiased testimony 00:52:15.490 --> 00:52:18.430 align:middle line:84% by citizens at large, representatives 00:52:18.430 --> 00:52:22.750 align:middle line:84% of public interest groups, and we'll also 00:52:22.750 --> 00:52:25.360 align:middle line:84% be able to have members of historically 00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:28.570 align:middle line:84% underserved communities provide testimony 00:52:28.570 --> 00:52:30.850 align:middle line:84% and be aware of the redistricting process 00:52:30.850 --> 00:52:32.950 align:middle line:90% throughout Massachusetts. 00:52:32.950 --> 00:52:35.260 align:middle line:84% And as you had said you were doing, 00:52:35.260 --> 00:52:39.550 align:middle line:84% providing the information in a variety of languages that 00:52:39.550 --> 00:52:43.510 align:middle line:84% represent the diverse communities in Massachusetts 00:52:43.510 --> 00:52:47.810 align:middle line:84% will be a huge asset to this redistricting process. 00:52:47.810 --> 00:52:51.970 align:middle line:84% We believe that also we need to be 00:52:51.970 --> 00:52:56.590 align:middle line:84% able to provide hearings that can be attended 00:52:56.590 --> 00:52:59.110 align:middle line:84% for those residents with limited access 00:52:59.110 --> 00:53:02.410 align:middle line:90% to broadband and transportation. 00:53:02.410 --> 00:53:05.230 align:middle line:84% And also ensuring access to people with disabilities 00:53:05.230 --> 00:53:07.720 align:middle line:84% is important so these communities also 00:53:07.720 --> 00:53:11.020 align:middle line:84% feel welcome to participate in the process. 00:53:11.020 --> 00:53:15.580 align:middle line:84% And seeing the website, that's great that this has started, 00:53:15.580 --> 00:53:19.970 align:middle line:84% and we would encourage you just to, as we have seen-- 00:53:19.970 --> 00:53:23.200 align:middle line:84% you know, these websites evolve, and it sounds 00:53:23.200 --> 00:53:24.590 align:middle line:90% like that's already happening. 00:53:24.590 --> 00:53:28.570 align:middle line:84% So thank you for starting that process already. 00:53:28.570 --> 00:53:34.450 align:middle line:84% We understand that currently the impact of COVID-19 00:53:34.450 --> 00:53:40.990 align:middle line:84% has severely limited any ability to have hearings in person. 00:53:40.990 --> 00:53:44.260 align:middle line:84% We would hope that that can change, 00:53:44.260 --> 00:53:45.760 align:middle line:84% and we would encourage the committee 00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:51.070 align:middle line:84% to work to ensure fair and equal access to virtual hearings 00:53:51.070 --> 00:53:56.080 align:middle line:84% and to hold in-person hearings with the public 00:53:56.080 --> 00:54:01.690 align:middle line:84% as soon as our public health officials say that is OK to do. 00:54:01.690 --> 00:54:07.540 align:middle line:84% We understand that the late release of the 2020 census data 00:54:07.540 --> 00:54:10.450 align:middle line:84% creates uncertainty and pressure on the ability 00:54:10.450 --> 00:54:15.250 align:middle line:84% to have this redistricting process work the way 00:54:15.250 --> 00:54:18.560 align:middle line:90% everyone hopes it should work. 00:54:18.560 --> 00:54:20.980 align:middle line:84% We encourage the committee to maintain 00:54:20.980 --> 00:54:24.190 align:middle line:84% a plan that includes public comment periods on the proposed 00:54:24.190 --> 00:54:28.870 align:middle line:84% maps developed using that US Census data. 00:54:28.870 --> 00:54:32.770 align:middle line:84% The legislative and the governor's council districts 00:54:32.770 --> 00:54:34.660 align:middle line:84% that are adopted by the legislature 00:54:34.660 --> 00:54:38.170 align:middle line:84% will provide the fundamental basis 00:54:38.170 --> 00:54:43.300 align:middle line:84% for representative government in Massachusetts through 2032. 00:54:43.300 --> 00:54:45.490 align:middle line:84% An open and transparent process that 00:54:45.490 --> 00:54:48.190 align:middle line:84% encourages broad public input should 00:54:48.190 --> 00:54:51.220 align:middle line:84% result in unbiased maps that provide 00:54:51.220 --> 00:54:54.640 align:middle line:84% effective representation of racial and linguistic 00:54:54.640 --> 00:54:57.430 align:middle line:84% minorities and fair representation 00:54:57.430 --> 00:54:59.950 align:middle line:84% for all residents of Massachusetts. 00:54:59.950 --> 00:55:02.980 align:middle line:84% The process will also create public confidence 00:55:02.980 --> 00:55:05.120 align:middle line:90% in the final maps. 00:55:05.120 --> 00:55:07.550 align:middle line:84% The League of Women Voters represents 00:55:07.550 --> 00:55:10.670 align:middle line:84% 47 leagues across the state, from Cape Cod 00:55:10.670 --> 00:55:12.110 align:middle line:90% to the Berkshires. 00:55:12.110 --> 00:55:15.590 align:middle line:84% We will encourage our members to participate in the process, 00:55:15.590 --> 00:55:18.410 align:middle line:84% help publicize the hearing schedule that you are putting 00:55:18.410 --> 00:55:22.910 align:middle line:84% out to the public, and we will be offering training 00:55:22.910 --> 00:55:27.750 align:middle line:84% to the public on redistricting, the process, how it works, 00:55:27.750 --> 00:55:31.130 align:middle line:84% and how the public can participate 00:55:31.130 --> 00:55:35.300 align:middle line:84% and join in on this important redistricting process. 00:55:35.300 --> 00:55:39.500 align:middle line:84% We support the open and transparent processing 00:55:39.500 --> 00:55:42.080 align:middle line:90% and doing all you can do. 00:55:42.080 --> 00:55:44.180 align:middle line:84% We understand this is a challenging year, 00:55:44.180 --> 00:55:49.220 align:middle line:84% and we do appreciate that fact and understand 00:55:49.220 --> 00:55:52.010 align:middle line:84% that this is all going to be a little bit different. 00:55:52.010 --> 00:55:57.740 align:middle line:84% But we believe that this will be a very good process. 00:55:57.740 --> 00:56:02.160 align:middle line:84% We thank you for your consideration of our testimony 00:56:02.160 --> 00:56:04.730 align:middle line:84% and allowing us to testify this morning, 00:56:04.730 --> 00:56:06.560 align:middle line:84% and we do we look forward to working 00:56:06.560 --> 00:56:09.350 align:middle line:84% with you in a collaborative way as we move forward 00:56:09.350 --> 00:56:10.940 align:middle line:90% with the redistricting process. 00:56:10.940 --> 00:56:13.820 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 00:56:13.820 --> 00:56:15.110 align:middle line:90% Thank you very much. 00:56:15.110 --> 00:56:18.920 align:middle line:90% OK, so this is the first panel. 00:56:18.920 --> 00:56:24.890 align:middle line:84% We could stop here and take questions or responses, 00:56:24.890 --> 00:56:30.050 align:middle line:84% comments from the members of the committee. 00:56:30.050 --> 00:56:33.620 align:middle line:90% Why don't we do that? 00:56:33.620 --> 00:56:36.522 align:middle line:84% Questions from any members of the committee? 00:56:36.522 --> 00:56:45.198 align:middle line:90% 00:56:45.198 --> 00:56:46.240 align:middle line:90% Well, I'll tell you what. 00:56:46.240 --> 00:56:48.200 align:middle line:90% I'll ask a question. 00:56:48.200 --> 00:56:50.543 align:middle line:84% I'd just be interested to hear you-- 00:56:50.543 --> 00:56:52.960 align:middle line:84% I was listening very carefully to the words you used and I 00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:54.580 align:middle line:84% want to make sure I'm getting them-- 00:56:54.580 --> 00:56:57.400 align:middle line:84% about the criteria that you're sort 00:56:57.400 --> 00:57:01.900 align:middle line:84% of urging the committee to consider as we draw districts. 00:57:01.900 --> 00:57:07.342 align:middle line:90% 00:57:07.342 --> 00:57:09.300 align:middle line:84% And I'd direct that to any member of the panel, 00:57:09.300 --> 00:57:11.580 align:middle line:84% and you can jump in and trip over each other. 00:57:11.580 --> 00:57:13.150 align:middle line:84% Don't hesitate to do that, it's fine. 00:57:13.150 --> 00:57:15.233 align:middle line:84% I know it's a little difficult to coordinate, hey, 00:57:15.233 --> 00:57:15.930 align:middle line:90% who's talking. 00:57:15.930 --> 00:57:17.990 align:middle line:84% But just jump in, from the members of the panel. 00:57:17.990 --> 00:57:21.400 align:middle line:90% 00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:21.900 align:middle line:90% All right. 00:57:21.900 --> 00:57:25.080 align:middle line:90% Great question, Senator. 00:57:25.080 --> 00:57:29.910 align:middle line:84% So first, we want to thank the Senate President 00:57:29.910 --> 00:57:31.890 align:middle line:84% and the Speaker of the House for fulfilling 00:57:31.890 --> 00:57:34.680 align:middle line:84% one of our major requests, which was 00:57:34.680 --> 00:57:39.750 align:middle line:84% to appoint a geographically and demographically 00:57:39.750 --> 00:57:41.280 align:middle line:90% diverse committee. 00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:45.780 align:middle line:84% And we definitely feel that that request 00:57:45.780 --> 00:57:51.330 align:middle line:84% has been met in a very serious and comprehensive way. 00:57:51.330 --> 00:57:56.530 align:middle line:84% A few of the recommendations that we make, 00:57:56.530 --> 00:58:01.110 align:middle line:84% in addition to following, of course, the Voting Rights Act 00:58:01.110 --> 00:58:05.730 align:middle line:84% section two, and also the Equal Protection Clause, 00:58:05.730 --> 00:58:13.230 align:middle line:84% include creating districts of opportunity whenever possible, 00:58:13.230 --> 00:58:18.180 align:middle line:84% providing racial and language minorities who 00:58:18.180 --> 00:58:20.910 align:middle line:84% constitute less than a majority of the district's voting age 00:58:20.910 --> 00:58:24.690 align:middle line:84% population with an opportunity to substantially influence 00:58:24.690 --> 00:58:26.878 align:middle line:90% the outcome of an election. 00:58:26.878 --> 00:58:28.920 align:middle line:84% I think one of the things that we care most about 00:58:28.920 --> 00:58:32.700 align:middle line:84% is that districts are not drawn to dilute 00:58:32.700 --> 00:58:35.190 align:middle line:84% the current or potential political power 00:58:35.190 --> 00:58:38.580 align:middle line:84% of racial and language minorities in Massachusetts. 00:58:38.580 --> 00:58:41.850 align:middle line:84% Those are some of the top level interests of the Drawing 00:58:41.850 --> 00:58:43.590 align:middle line:90% Democracy Coalition. 00:58:43.590 --> 00:58:49.920 align:middle line:84% I'd welcome any of my colleagues in the Coalition 00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:51.300 align:middle line:90% to jump in and share more. 00:58:51.300 --> 00:58:53.920 align:middle line:90% 00:58:53.920 --> 00:58:59.050 align:middle line:84% So I think Beth said it really well. 00:58:59.050 --> 00:59:03.920 align:middle line:84% That is top level, all of those considerations. 00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:08.560 align:middle line:84% And then of course, you do have population considerations 00:59:08.560 --> 00:59:11.410 align:middle line:84% that come out of the litigation, particularly 00:59:11.410 --> 00:59:12.625 align:middle line:90% on the congressional side. 00:59:12.625 --> 00:59:15.604 align:middle line:90% 00:59:15.604 --> 00:59:18.190 align:middle line:90% You know, some of these-- 00:59:18.190 --> 00:59:19.840 align:middle line:84% part of the problem of redistricting 00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:22.678 align:middle line:84% is some of the criteria can conflict with each other, 00:59:22.678 --> 00:59:24.220 align:middle line:84% and that's why it's important to have 00:59:24.220 --> 00:59:26.440 align:middle line:90% a sense of what's important. 00:59:26.440 --> 00:59:30.310 align:middle line:84% So grouping communities of interest, 00:59:30.310 --> 00:59:36.130 align:middle line:84% ensuring that racial and language minorities have 00:59:36.130 --> 00:59:38.440 align:middle line:84% the representation that they deserve, 00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:40.550 align:middle line:84% maximizing the influence districts 00:59:40.550 --> 00:59:43.240 align:middle line:84% as well as majority districts but not, 00:59:43.240 --> 00:59:47.530 align:middle line:84% you know, going overboard with packing, which 00:59:47.530 --> 00:59:50.110 align:middle line:90% is a problem in and of itself. 00:59:50.110 --> 00:59:55.240 align:middle line:84% Compactness, continuity, and to the extent 00:59:55.240 --> 00:59:57.940 align:middle line:84% that it's not conflicting with those other considerations, 00:59:57.940 --> 01:00:03.285 align:middle line:84% maintaining those boundaries of our communities themselves. 01:00:03.285 --> 01:00:07.170 align:middle line:90% 01:00:07.170 --> 01:00:10.110 align:middle line:84% Rahsaan, do you have anything you would add? 01:00:10.110 --> 01:00:11.640 align:middle line:90% No, I think you all captured it. 01:00:11.640 --> 01:00:14.320 align:middle line:90% 01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:14.820 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 01:00:14.820 --> 01:00:18.840 align:middle line:84% I do see that Senator Gobi has her hands up. 01:00:18.840 --> 01:00:20.840 align:middle line:84% I didn't quite catch that the first time around. 01:00:20.840 --> 01:00:23.600 align:middle line:84% You do have the ability to put your hand up, 01:00:23.600 --> 01:00:25.530 align:middle line:90% so that's an option for you. 01:00:25.530 --> 01:00:28.520 align:middle line:84% But as members of the panel, if I fail to see you, 01:00:28.520 --> 01:00:33.530 align:middle line:84% don't hesitate to just unmute yourself and jump in 01:00:33.530 --> 01:00:36.230 align:middle line:90% and we'll deal. 01:00:36.230 --> 01:00:37.250 align:middle line:90% Senator Gobi? 01:00:37.250 --> 01:00:40.380 align:middle line:90% 01:00:40.380 --> 01:00:42.870 align:middle line:84% Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you everyone 01:00:42.870 --> 01:00:44.460 align:middle line:90% that's come in to testify. 01:00:44.460 --> 01:00:48.210 align:middle line:84% And Pam, I was one of those faces from 10 long years ago, 01:00:48.210 --> 01:00:50.130 align:middle line:90% too, when you were mentioning. 01:00:50.130 --> 01:00:53.190 align:middle line:84% And I always enjoy the little history that you give, 01:00:53.190 --> 01:00:57.360 align:middle line:84% because as you probably know with Elbridge Gerry, 01:00:57.360 --> 01:01:02.190 align:middle line:84% Gerry was the name of one of the towns in my 28 town district, 01:01:02.190 --> 01:01:06.960 align:middle line:84% and it is now called Phillipston because of gerrymandering. 01:01:06.960 --> 01:01:08.460 align:middle line:90% I just had a question. 01:01:08.460 --> 01:01:11.430 align:middle line:84% Elizabeth, you mentioned in your testimony 01:01:11.430 --> 01:01:23.470 align:middle line:84% about training [INAUDIBLE] that the League might be looking 01:01:23.470 --> 01:01:28.280 align:middle line:90% to do for the general public. 01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:31.785 align:middle line:84% And I didn't know if you could talk a little bit more 01:01:31.785 --> 01:01:35.478 align:middle line:90% about [INAUDIBLE]. 01:01:35.478 --> 01:01:38.290 align:middle line:90% Did you-- there was a little-- 01:01:38.290 --> 01:01:40.707 align:middle line:84% I believe the question was, you wanted 01:01:40.707 --> 01:01:43.040 align:middle line:84% to get a little bit more information about the training? 01:01:43.040 --> 01:01:43.310 align:middle line:90% Correct. 01:01:43.310 --> 01:01:45.030 align:middle line:84% I just wanted-- you're breaking up a little bit, 01:01:45.030 --> 01:01:47.210 align:middle line:84% so I just want to make sure that I address your question. 01:01:47.210 --> 01:01:47.750 align:middle line:90% I apologize. 01:01:47.750 --> 01:01:49.410 align:middle line:90% Yes, that was it. 01:01:49.410 --> 01:01:51.350 align:middle line:90% That's OK. 01:01:51.350 --> 01:01:56.750 align:middle line:84% Yes, we are looking to provide information to the public 01:01:56.750 --> 01:01:59.810 align:middle line:84% through the various Leagues across the state, 01:01:59.810 --> 01:02:03.710 align:middle line:84% as well as, through the state, to educate people 01:02:03.710 --> 01:02:05.600 align:middle line:84% on the redistricting process and how 01:02:05.600 --> 01:02:07.490 align:middle line:84% they can get involved so they understand 01:02:07.490 --> 01:02:09.260 align:middle line:90% that this is happening. 01:02:09.260 --> 01:02:13.010 align:middle line:84% We were very involved in the census 01:02:13.010 --> 01:02:16.070 align:middle line:84% and provided education to people on that about how 01:02:16.070 --> 01:02:18.020 align:middle line:90% to get out the census. 01:02:18.020 --> 01:02:21.380 align:middle line:84% So we have already started this process, actually. 01:02:21.380 --> 01:02:24.740 align:middle line:84% We have had, for our Leagues, we did a webinar 01:02:24.740 --> 01:02:27.050 align:middle line:90% on the redistricting process. 01:02:27.050 --> 01:02:30.620 align:middle line:84% And on April 29 we will be having 01:02:30.620 --> 01:02:34.250 align:middle line:84% a day that is devoted to redistricting 01:02:34.250 --> 01:02:36.260 align:middle line:84% across Massachusetts, actually, and it's 01:02:36.260 --> 01:02:38.330 align:middle line:84% going to be across the United States 01:02:38.330 --> 01:02:41.690 align:middle line:84% with the League of Women Voters of the US for the People 01:02:41.690 --> 01:02:43.910 align:middle line:90% Powered Fair Maps. 01:02:43.910 --> 01:02:47.480 align:middle line:84% So our goal is to work with our Coalition members 01:02:47.480 --> 01:02:52.550 align:middle line:84% so they're aware of these various trainings that we have, 01:02:52.550 --> 01:02:56.420 align:middle line:84% and make them aware for other people who may not 01:02:56.420 --> 01:02:58.280 align:middle line:90% be part of those coalitions. 01:02:58.280 --> 01:03:02.090 align:middle line:84% So people understand and we can encourage 01:03:02.090 --> 01:03:06.170 align:middle line:84% them to again testify, to follow this, 01:03:06.170 --> 01:03:08.300 align:middle line:84% and to present any information they 01:03:08.300 --> 01:03:11.240 align:middle line:90% may have to this committee. 01:03:11.240 --> 01:03:14.120 align:middle line:84% Because we believe that public participation is important, 01:03:14.120 --> 01:03:16.430 align:middle line:84% but also we need to educate people 01:03:16.430 --> 01:03:20.270 align:middle line:84% so that they can provide that public comment. 01:03:20.270 --> 01:03:24.340 align:middle line:90% 01:03:24.340 --> 01:03:27.096 align:middle line:84% Other questions from members of the committee? 01:03:27.096 --> 01:03:30.430 align:middle line:90% 01:03:30.430 --> 01:03:30.940 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 01:03:30.940 --> 01:03:32.271 align:middle line:90% And Mr. Chair, just-- 01:03:32.271 --> 01:03:35.220 align:middle line:90% 01:03:35.220 --> 01:03:36.610 align:middle line:90% You're back on mute. 01:03:36.610 --> 01:03:37.320 align:middle line:90% You're all set. 01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:38.460 align:middle line:90% I'm taking hands, all set. 01:03:38.460 --> 01:03:41.910 align:middle line:84% I see Sarah Peake with a question. 01:03:41.910 --> 01:03:43.140 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Mr Chairman. 01:03:43.140 --> 01:03:46.320 align:middle line:84% I think we need to get Senator Gobi more robust broadband out 01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:48.900 align:middle line:84% in her neck of the woods, but that's 01:03:48.900 --> 01:03:50.820 align:middle line:84% for a different committee to work on. 01:03:50.820 --> 01:03:53.790 align:middle line:90% 01:03:53.790 --> 01:03:55.590 align:middle line:84% The testimony that this panel has given 01:03:55.590 --> 01:03:58.830 align:middle line:84% has really raised a question in my mind 01:03:58.830 --> 01:04:01.440 align:middle line:84% in that, because of COVID, we're doing this differently 01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:05.198 align:middle line:84% this year, we're probably not going to do as much, if any, 01:04:05.198 --> 01:04:07.740 align:middle line:84% going from region to region to region to hold these hearings, 01:04:07.740 --> 01:04:10.650 align:middle line:84% but we'll be doing them in a format like this. 01:04:10.650 --> 01:04:13.470 align:middle line:84% And I'm curious about, you know, the idea 01:04:13.470 --> 01:04:15.720 align:middle line:84% of translating what we are saying 01:04:15.720 --> 01:04:19.530 align:middle line:90% into a different language. 01:04:19.530 --> 01:04:23.340 align:middle line:84% If we're going to be targeting hearings for different regions, 01:04:23.340 --> 01:04:25.350 align:middle line:84% do we have the technological ability 01:04:25.350 --> 01:04:29.310 align:middle line:84% to have closed captioning in English, Spanish, Brazilian, 01:04:29.310 --> 01:04:33.630 align:middle line:84% Portuguese, kind of all going on at the same time? 01:04:33.630 --> 01:04:36.210 align:middle line:84% You know, because I'm thinking like down our way, Brazilian, 01:04:36.210 --> 01:04:39.930 align:middle line:84% Portuguese is sort of the predominant second language 01:04:39.930 --> 01:04:41.885 align:middle line:84% that many people speak, especially 01:04:41.885 --> 01:04:43.260 align:middle line:84% in Representative Diggs district, 01:04:43.260 --> 01:04:45.090 align:middle line:90% and really all across the Cape. 01:04:45.090 --> 01:04:49.920 align:middle line:84% So it's as much a question for the committee and for LIS 01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:52.260 align:middle line:84% as it is-- but the idea was sparked 01:04:52.260 --> 01:04:54.450 align:middle line:90% by what this panel had to say. 01:04:54.450 --> 01:04:57.730 align:middle line:90% 01:04:57.730 --> 01:05:00.050 align:middle line:84% I am not crystal clear in my mind 01:05:00.050 --> 01:05:02.330 align:middle line:84% about how-- the closed captioning, of course, 01:05:02.330 --> 01:05:03.710 align:middle line:90% is being done in English. 01:05:03.710 --> 01:05:06.880 align:middle line:84% But once it's reduced to words, it 01:05:06.880 --> 01:05:09.098 align:middle line:84% does become easier to run through a lot 01:05:09.098 --> 01:05:10.140 align:middle line:90% of different translators. 01:05:10.140 --> 01:05:14.420 align:middle line:84% So we'll have to understand how that works and kind of report 01:05:14.420 --> 01:05:16.130 align:middle line:90% back to the committee on that. 01:05:16.130 --> 01:05:19.310 align:middle line:84% I'm a little confused on that as I sit here. 01:05:19.310 --> 01:05:21.560 align:middle line:84% If anybody wants to text me with an answer 01:05:21.560 --> 01:05:24.270 align:middle line:84% to that question about how our closed captioning can 01:05:24.270 --> 01:05:28.220 align:middle line:84% be translated, I'll report it as time goes on. 01:05:28.220 --> 01:05:31.010 align:middle line:90% 01:05:31.010 --> 01:05:34.300 align:middle line:90% Other questions? 01:05:34.300 --> 01:05:38.020 align:middle line:84% If I can just lift up from the chat one of our colleagues, 01:05:38.020 --> 01:05:40.540 align:middle line:84% [? Rosette ?] [? Lee ?] from [INAUDIBLE] just indicated that 01:05:40.540 --> 01:05:43.990 align:middle line:84% the committee might want to consider language-specific 01:05:43.990 --> 01:05:47.950 align:middle line:84% hearings as well, especially when they're in locations where 01:05:47.950 --> 01:05:51.370 align:middle line:84% there is a high concentration of a particular language that 01:05:51.370 --> 01:05:55.240 align:middle line:90% might be worth considering. 01:05:55.240 --> 01:05:56.620 align:middle line:90% Good suggestion. 01:05:56.620 --> 01:05:59.980 align:middle line:84% And hiring Jasmine Gomez and other, like I said, 01:05:59.980 --> 01:06:03.310 align:middle line:90% hire folks, interpreters. 01:06:03.310 --> 01:06:07.480 align:middle line:84% And I think in consultation with the Drawing Democracy Coalition 01:06:07.480 --> 01:06:10.960 align:middle line:84% we can certainly work to get as much information 01:06:10.960 --> 01:06:13.580 align:middle line:84% to the committee about the needs of particular communities 01:06:13.580 --> 01:06:18.020 align:middle line:84% and possibly work with you on that as well. 01:06:18.020 --> 01:06:22.230 align:middle line:84% I think that's a doable suggestion, and one 01:06:22.230 --> 01:06:24.180 align:middle line:90% we'll take back, for sure. 01:06:24.180 --> 01:06:26.640 align:middle line:84% And appreciate the offer to assist with that. 01:06:26.640 --> 01:06:30.440 align:middle line:90% 01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:32.030 align:middle line:84% OK, so you know what I'm going to do? 01:06:32.030 --> 01:06:35.150 align:middle line:84% Because this is-- we have several panels in a row that 01:06:35.150 --> 01:06:37.130 align:middle line:84% have sort of been, you know, working together. 01:06:37.130 --> 01:06:39.590 align:middle line:84% I'm just going to leave everybody who's-- 01:06:39.590 --> 01:06:42.230 align:middle line:84% as we promote people into different panels, 01:06:42.230 --> 01:06:47.300 align:middle line:84% we'll leave you on as panelists, as participating 01:06:47.300 --> 01:06:50.810 align:middle line:90% in the Zoom visibly. 01:06:50.810 --> 01:06:58.050 align:middle line:84% And that way you can answer continue 01:06:58.050 --> 01:07:00.120 align:middle line:84% to answer questions as other things come out, 01:07:00.120 --> 01:07:01.350 align:middle line:90% as your colleagues come on. 01:07:01.350 --> 01:07:05.910 align:middle line:84% But I will enable the second panel of members now. 01:07:05.910 --> 01:07:10.250 align:middle line:84% So we want to enable Jasmine Gomez. 01:07:10.250 --> 01:07:11.370 align:middle line:90% I got it. 01:07:11.370 --> 01:07:16.070 align:middle line:84% Andrew is helping me, but let me see what we got here. 01:07:16.070 --> 01:07:20.860 align:middle line:84% Jasmine Gomez I got promoted to panelist. 01:07:20.860 --> 01:07:23.520 align:middle line:90% Lydia Lowe. 01:07:23.520 --> 01:07:25.110 align:middle line:90% Is Lydia here, already promoted? 01:07:25.110 --> 01:07:28.550 align:middle line:90% 01:07:28.550 --> 01:07:31.275 align:middle line:84% Andrew's working with me at the same time, I think. 01:07:31.275 --> 01:07:33.980 align:middle line:90% And Trevor? 01:07:33.980 --> 01:07:35.840 align:middle line:90% Is everybody on? 01:07:35.840 --> 01:07:38.960 align:middle line:84% So Jasmine, do you want to lead this off? 01:07:38.960 --> 01:07:42.960 align:middle line:90% 01:07:42.960 --> 01:07:45.630 align:middle line:84% Or who is going to lead the second panel off? 01:07:45.630 --> 01:07:53.135 align:middle line:90% 01:07:53.135 --> 01:07:54.010 align:middle line:90% Beth, you were muted. 01:07:54.010 --> 01:07:55.500 align:middle line:84% I think you were saying something. 01:07:55.500 --> 01:07:59.110 align:middle line:84% Jasmine is slated to lead this panel off. 01:07:59.110 --> 01:08:02.400 align:middle line:84% They might be listed as Access Strategies? 01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:08.420 align:middle line:90% 01:08:08.420 --> 01:08:13.010 align:middle line:84% This panel is supposed to be Jasmine Gomez, Lydia Lowe, 01:08:13.010 --> 01:08:17.390 align:middle line:84% Isabella Gonzalez Webster, and Roberto Jimenez. 01:08:17.390 --> 01:08:21.680 align:middle line:84% So as panelists I now do see Lydia. 01:08:21.680 --> 01:08:23.420 align:middle line:90% And I don't know-- 01:08:23.420 --> 01:08:26.540 align:middle line:84% I do see Jasmine, but she just needs to unmute. 01:08:26.540 --> 01:08:29.519 align:middle line:84% So I'm going to ask you to unmute, Jasmine, and-- 01:08:29.519 --> 01:08:31.069 align:middle line:90% I'm unmuted, thank you. 01:08:31.069 --> 01:08:32.359 align:middle line:90% There you go. 01:08:32.359 --> 01:08:34.670 align:middle line:90% All right, Jasmine. 01:08:34.670 --> 01:08:36.649 align:middle line:90% Wonderful. 01:08:36.649 --> 01:08:38.750 align:middle line:84% Sorry if my connection is a little bit slow. 01:08:38.750 --> 01:08:40.560 align:middle line:90% I see it lagging on my end. 01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:42.979 align:middle line:84% But let me know if y'all can't hear me, 01:08:42.979 --> 01:08:45.770 align:middle line:84% I could turn off my video and keep my audio on at any point 01:08:45.770 --> 01:08:46.725 align:middle line:90% as well. 01:08:46.725 --> 01:08:48.319 align:middle line:90% You're doing well. 01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:49.520 align:middle line:90% You're clear. 01:08:49.520 --> 01:08:50.810 align:middle line:90% Wonderful. 01:08:50.810 --> 01:08:52.430 align:middle line:84% So like others, I really just wanted 01:08:52.430 --> 01:08:55.819 align:middle line:84% to start by thanking you all, Senator William Brownsberger, 01:08:55.819 --> 01:08:58.189 align:middle line:84% Representative Mike Moran, as well as all 01:08:58.189 --> 01:09:00.710 align:middle line:84% of the other members of the redistricting committee, 01:09:00.710 --> 01:09:03.080 align:middle line:90% for hosting this public hearing. 01:09:03.080 --> 01:09:06.140 align:middle line:84% Your commitment to engaging the community 01:09:06.140 --> 01:09:09.950 align:middle line:84% has been really inspiring for me to see. 01:09:09.950 --> 01:09:14.750 align:middle line:84% Even in just this hearing, the questions and the concerns 01:09:14.750 --> 01:09:20.850 align:middle line:84% and the desires to know about how to make sure 01:09:20.850 --> 01:09:22.700 align:middle line:84% the languages are all accessible and people 01:09:22.700 --> 01:09:26.660 align:middle line:84% will be included in this process is really, really important, 01:09:26.660 --> 01:09:30.090 align:middle line:84% and our ecosystem is better when we all come together. 01:09:30.090 --> 01:09:31.670 align:middle line:90% My name is Jasmine Gomez. 01:09:31.670 --> 01:09:34.850 align:middle line:84% I am the co-director of Access Strategies Fund which 01:09:34.850 --> 01:09:38.029 align:middle line:84% is a family foundation in Cambridge, Massachusetts, 01:09:38.029 --> 01:09:41.258 align:middle line:84% as well as the co-chair of the Drawing Democracy Fund. 01:09:41.258 --> 01:09:42.800 align:middle line:84% And the Drawing Democracy Fund, we're 01:09:42.800 --> 01:09:45.319 align:middle line:84% separate but deeply connected with 01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:48.800 align:middle line:84% and coordinating with the Drawing Democracy Coalition. 01:09:48.800 --> 01:09:51.290 align:middle line:84% We are the philanthropic partners 01:09:51.290 --> 01:09:53.450 align:middle line:84% who have come together to support redistricting 01:09:53.450 --> 01:09:55.700 align:middle line:90% efforts here in Massachusetts. 01:09:55.700 --> 01:09:57.290 align:middle line:84% I just wanted to come in and talk 01:09:57.290 --> 01:10:00.410 align:middle line:84% a little bit about why Access Strategies Fund has made 01:10:00.410 --> 01:10:03.500 align:middle line:84% redistricting and civic engagement a priority 01:10:03.500 --> 01:10:05.600 align:middle line:90% since its foundation. 01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:07.670 align:middle line:84% A lot of this is things that people have already 01:10:07.670 --> 01:10:10.310 align:middle line:84% said before, and it's really important 01:10:10.310 --> 01:10:13.220 align:middle line:84% to reiterate that civic engagement is 01:10:13.220 --> 01:10:15.710 align:middle line:84% key to providing power to communities 01:10:15.710 --> 01:10:17.390 align:middle line:84% who have been historically marginalized 01:10:17.390 --> 01:10:19.070 align:middle line:90% by systems of oppression. 01:10:19.070 --> 01:10:21.230 align:middle line:84% So many of our black, indigenous, 01:10:21.230 --> 01:10:23.510 align:middle line:84% and immigrant communities have experienced 01:10:23.510 --> 01:10:26.000 align:middle line:84% barrier over barrier over barrier 01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:28.950 align:middle line:84% to accessing power in our current systems. 01:10:28.950 --> 01:10:33.140 align:middle line:84% And we see even now how extreme economic inequality has pushed 01:10:33.140 --> 01:10:36.500 align:middle line:84% so many BIPOC, low-income, and immigrant communities 01:10:36.500 --> 01:10:40.310 align:middle line:84% to migrate and move to other towns, cities, neighborhoods 01:10:40.310 --> 01:10:42.260 align:middle line:90% within Massachusetts. 01:10:42.260 --> 01:10:45.590 align:middle line:84% We know that if our communities aren't represented properly, 01:10:45.590 --> 01:10:49.430 align:middle line:84% their power will continue to be diluted in this process. 01:10:49.430 --> 01:10:52.190 align:middle line:84% We really deeply support and trust 01:10:52.190 --> 01:10:55.070 align:middle line:84% the work of the grassroots leaders who have come together 01:10:55.070 --> 01:10:57.830 align:middle line:84% to create a fair and just redistricting process that 01:10:57.830 --> 01:10:59.420 align:middle line:84% centers those communities who have 01:10:59.420 --> 01:11:01.130 align:middle line:84% been historically underrepresented 01:11:01.130 --> 01:11:03.020 align:middle line:90% in our systems. 01:11:03.020 --> 01:11:06.320 align:middle line:84% The Drawing Democracy Fund is involved really deeply 01:11:06.320 --> 01:11:08.390 align:middle line:84% with the Drawing Democracy Coalition, 01:11:08.390 --> 01:11:10.100 align:middle line:84% and we just want to reiterate some 01:11:10.100 --> 01:11:12.860 align:middle line:84% of the points of collaboration that 01:11:12.860 --> 01:11:16.640 align:middle line:84% can happen between this committee as well 01:11:16.640 --> 01:11:18.710 align:middle line:84% as the Drawing Democracy Coalition. 01:11:18.710 --> 01:11:22.190 align:middle line:84% And these are points that Beth has spoken about earlier. 01:11:22.190 --> 01:11:24.770 align:middle line:84% One is to use the data from the 2020 Census 01:11:24.770 --> 01:11:26.990 align:middle line:84% to create district maps that maximize 01:11:26.990 --> 01:11:30.170 align:middle line:84% the political power of people of color, low-income people, 01:11:30.170 --> 01:11:31.730 align:middle line:90% and immigrants. 01:11:31.730 --> 01:11:35.180 align:middle line:84% Another is to educate and mobilize community members 01:11:35.180 --> 01:11:37.550 align:middle line:84% to participate in these public forums 01:11:37.550 --> 01:11:40.645 align:middle line:84% and provide feedback on district maps, including 01:11:40.645 --> 01:11:42.770 align:middle line:84% making these accessible, which you all have already 01:11:42.770 --> 01:11:44.900 align:middle line:90% started talking about. 01:11:44.900 --> 01:11:48.840 align:middle line:84% Another is democratizing access to data and mapping tools-- 01:11:48.840 --> 01:11:52.340 align:middle line:84% sorry if you hear the music outside-- 01:11:52.340 --> 01:11:55.550 align:middle line:84% to increase the community voice in redistricting. 01:11:55.550 --> 01:11:59.270 align:middle line:84% And the last is just advocating for a redistricting process 01:11:59.270 --> 01:12:02.430 align:middle line:84% that is transparent and open to everybody. 01:12:02.430 --> 01:12:04.910 align:middle line:84% We really deeply value the deep work 01:12:04.910 --> 01:12:08.960 align:middle line:84% that our whole ecosystem brought together in 2011, when 01:12:08.960 --> 01:12:12.350 align:middle line:84% we had foundations, grassroots groups, and the members 01:12:12.350 --> 01:12:15.140 align:middle line:84% of this committee who came together and had this shared 01:12:15.140 --> 01:12:18.260 align:middle line:84% commitment to ensuring a transparent and fair process, 01:12:18.260 --> 01:12:21.230 align:middle line:84% and this hearing marks a really beautiful and important step 01:12:21.230 --> 01:12:24.410 align:middle line:84% to continuing that partnership into 2021. 01:12:24.410 --> 01:12:26.090 align:middle line:84% We're grateful for the opportunity 01:12:26.090 --> 01:12:28.820 align:middle line:84% to share our collective goals and concerns 01:12:28.820 --> 01:12:30.500 align:middle line:84% around the redistricting process, 01:12:30.500 --> 01:12:32.900 align:middle line:84% and we look forward to continuing to work together 01:12:32.900 --> 01:12:36.020 align:middle line:84% to elevate the voices of those who are most impacted 01:12:36.020 --> 01:12:39.710 align:middle line:84% and ensure a more equitable and accountable democracy. 01:12:39.710 --> 01:12:42.047 align:middle line:90% Now pass it to Lydia. 01:12:42.047 --> 01:12:42.880 align:middle line:90% Thank you very much. 01:12:42.880 --> 01:12:45.840 align:middle line:90% 01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:47.545 align:middle line:90% Shall I go ahead? 01:12:47.545 --> 01:12:48.760 align:middle line:90% Please. 01:12:48.760 --> 01:12:50.240 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 01:12:50.240 --> 01:12:51.880 align:middle line:90% Thank you for this opportunity. 01:12:51.880 --> 01:12:55.210 align:middle line:84% And I'm testifying-- my name is Lydia Lowe, 01:12:55.210 --> 01:12:58.990 align:middle line:84% and I'm testifying on behalf of Chinese Progressive Political 01:12:58.990 --> 01:13:03.130 align:middle line:84% Action, which is a political advocacy organization that 01:13:03.130 --> 01:13:06.130 align:middle line:84% works to engage the Chinese community of Eastern 01:13:06.130 --> 01:13:09.430 align:middle line:84% Massachusetts in political and civic action 01:13:09.430 --> 01:13:13.690 align:middle line:84% to advance the cause of racial equality. 01:13:13.690 --> 01:13:16.090 align:middle line:84% As we embark on another round of redistricting, 01:13:16.090 --> 01:13:19.870 align:middle line:84% I want to bring attention to the API community's population 01:13:19.870 --> 01:13:23.980 align:middle line:84% growth, which is among the most rapidly expanding 01:13:23.980 --> 01:13:24.940 align:middle line:90% in the commonwealth. 01:13:24.940 --> 01:13:31.180 align:middle line:84% We have an estimated 514,000 some APIs in Massachusetts, 01:13:31.180 --> 01:13:36.800 align:middle line:84% and 78% of API speak a language other than English at home, 01:13:36.800 --> 01:13:45.280 align:middle line:84% including 197,000 and upwards Chinese, about 131,000 Indians, 01:13:45.280 --> 01:13:50.410 align:middle line:84% 60,000 Vietnamese, 30,000 Cambodians, 30,000 Koreans, 01:13:50.410 --> 01:13:54.670 align:middle line:90% and 26,000 Filipinos. 01:13:54.670 --> 01:13:57.460 align:middle line:84% But while our communities are growing rapidly, 01:13:57.460 --> 01:13:59.530 align:middle line:84% they remain small enough in number 01:13:59.530 --> 01:14:02.320 align:middle line:84% that it's important to us that district lines not 01:14:02.320 --> 01:14:05.170 align:middle line:84% crack our communities into different districts 01:14:05.170 --> 01:14:07.330 align:middle line:90% as has happened in the past. 01:14:07.330 --> 01:14:11.050 align:middle line:84% In order to ensure that we have adequate data for this task, 01:14:11.050 --> 01:14:13.390 align:middle line:84% it's also important that we advance 01:14:13.390 --> 01:14:17.590 align:middle line:84% the cause of data equity, which provides for data collection 01:14:17.590 --> 01:14:21.550 align:middle line:84% not only by race but also ethnic categories that 01:14:21.550 --> 01:14:26.150 align:middle line:84% can provide us with critical linguistic data as well. 01:14:26.150 --> 01:14:30.700 align:middle line:84% And as I said, the vast majority of API's speak a language 01:14:30.700 --> 01:14:32.140 align:middle line:90% other than English at home. 01:14:32.140 --> 01:14:34.105 align:middle line:84% So I particularly want to underscore 01:14:34.105 --> 01:14:39.190 align:middle line:84% the issue of how redistricting directly impacts citizens 01:14:39.190 --> 01:14:43.960 align:middle line:84% voting rights, particularly for limited English proficient 01:14:43.960 --> 01:14:46.630 align:middle line:90% voters in our communities. 01:14:46.630 --> 01:14:48.790 align:middle line:84% Learning about issues and candidates 01:14:48.790 --> 01:14:51.490 align:middle line:84% requires a little effort for every voter, 01:14:51.490 --> 01:14:54.670 align:middle line:84% but many people don't realize the additional effort that's 01:14:54.670 --> 01:14:56.740 align:middle line:84% required for some of our community members 01:14:56.740 --> 01:14:58.570 align:middle line:90% to exercise those rights. 01:14:58.570 --> 01:15:01.510 align:middle line:84% For example, elderly Chinese-speaking voters 01:15:01.510 --> 01:15:04.270 align:middle line:84% are accustomed to bringing a sample ballot with them 01:15:04.270 --> 01:15:07.660 align:middle line:84% to the polls that they have completed beforehand 01:15:07.660 --> 01:15:09.820 align:middle line:84% to help them through the process of marking 01:15:09.820 --> 01:15:11.500 align:middle line:90% the ballot correctly. 01:15:11.500 --> 01:15:14.440 align:middle line:84% What they need to do is they usually count down 01:15:14.440 --> 01:15:17.020 align:middle line:84% the number of circles on the ballot 01:15:17.020 --> 01:15:20.860 align:middle line:84% to find the right circle for their candidate of choice, 01:15:20.860 --> 01:15:23.530 align:middle line:84% and then take their sample ballot 01:15:23.530 --> 01:15:26.170 align:middle line:84% and compare the first letter of the name 01:15:26.170 --> 01:15:28.810 align:middle line:84% with the first letter of the name on their sample ballot 01:15:28.810 --> 01:15:31.160 align:middle line:90% to check if it's the right one. 01:15:31.160 --> 01:15:33.880 align:middle line:84% And that's because the Chinese language does not use 01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:37.720 align:middle line:84% the alphabet that's used by the English language, 01:15:37.720 --> 01:15:42.460 align:middle line:84% so many elderly voters actually cannot read the candidate names 01:15:42.460 --> 01:15:46.450 align:middle line:84% unless they're transliterated into Chinese characters. 01:15:46.450 --> 01:15:50.410 align:middle line:84% So in Boston we have actually passed a home rule petition 01:15:50.410 --> 01:15:54.280 align:middle line:84% that allows for transliteration of names on a bilingual ballot. 01:15:54.280 --> 01:15:57.760 align:middle line:84% But if you're a Chinese voter in Quincy or Malden 01:15:57.760 --> 01:16:00.820 align:middle line:84% or a Cambodian voter in Lowell, then you're out of luck 01:16:00.820 --> 01:16:04.540 align:middle line:84% and you don't enjoy that right, so you have a quote unquote, 01:16:04.540 --> 01:16:08.290 align:middle line:84% "bilingual ballot" that actually doesn't include the candidate 01:16:08.290 --> 01:16:10.160 align:middle line:90% names. 01:16:10.160 --> 01:16:13.780 align:middle line:84% So if you imagine yourself going in to vote 01:16:13.780 --> 01:16:16.270 align:middle line:84% and trying to mark a ballot that's entirely 01:16:16.270 --> 01:16:20.020 align:middle line:84% in Chinese characters by comparing 01:16:20.020 --> 01:16:22.030 align:middle line:84% the characters on the ballot with a guide 01:16:22.030 --> 01:16:23.830 align:middle line:84% that you brought along in your pocket, 01:16:23.830 --> 01:16:27.010 align:middle line:84% you can imagine that it takes these voters a little bit more 01:16:27.010 --> 01:16:30.310 align:middle line:84% time to exercise their voting rights. 01:16:30.310 --> 01:16:32.560 align:middle line:84% And the other important fact that you need to know 01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:35.530 align:middle line:84% is that the voting population in Boston precincts 01:16:35.530 --> 01:16:38.440 align:middle line:84% is wildly imbalanced, because Boston 01:16:38.440 --> 01:16:41.680 align:middle line:84% has been exempted from redrawing ward and precinct 01:16:41.680 --> 01:16:44.200 align:middle line:90% lines since 1920. 01:16:44.200 --> 01:16:47.890 align:middle line:84% So in the November 2020 election, 01:16:47.890 --> 01:16:51.040 align:middle line:84% where the average voting population for precinct 01:16:51.040 --> 01:16:58.660 align:middle line:84% was about 1,694 voters, in Chinatown's ward 01:16:58.660 --> 01:17:02.350 align:middle line:84% three, precinct eight, the registered voting population 01:17:02.350 --> 01:17:06.340 align:middle line:90% was 7,059. 01:17:06.340 --> 01:17:09.160 align:middle line:84% So barriers for limited English proficient voters 01:17:09.160 --> 01:17:13.490 align:middle line:84% are further exacerbated by this large precinct size, 01:17:13.490 --> 01:17:16.990 align:middle line:84% meaning that in a popular presidential election 01:17:16.990 --> 01:17:21.610 align:middle line:84% you may be waiting hours to go and exercise your rights. 01:17:21.610 --> 01:17:24.580 align:middle line:84% And in this particular precinct in Chinatown, 01:17:24.580 --> 01:17:29.020 align:middle line:84% where 53% of the voters are Asian Pacific Islanders, 01:17:29.020 --> 01:17:34.565 align:middle line:84% the average annual household income is $28,600, 01:17:34.565 --> 01:17:41.570 align:middle line:84% and 31% of the voters have less than a ninth grade education. 01:17:41.570 --> 01:17:43.310 align:middle line:84% So I think these are just, you know, 01:17:43.310 --> 01:17:47.990 align:middle line:84% this example illustrates a few of the different concerns 01:17:47.990 --> 01:17:51.500 align:middle line:84% that I wanted to bring the committee's attention to as you 01:17:51.500 --> 01:17:54.890 align:middle line:84% think about redistricting, that I also 01:17:54.890 --> 01:17:59.570 align:middle line:84% urge your attention to issues of and your support of legislation 01:17:59.570 --> 01:18:04.010 align:middle line:84% on data equity on reprecincting Boston and voting 01:18:04.010 --> 01:18:07.220 align:middle line:84% rights for limited English proficient citizens 01:18:07.220 --> 01:18:10.790 align:middle line:84% with non-alphabetic languages such as Chinese 01:18:10.790 --> 01:18:14.300 align:middle line:84% and [INAUDIBLE] that require transliteration of candidate 01:18:14.300 --> 01:18:16.550 align:middle line:90% names on bilingual ballots. 01:18:16.550 --> 01:18:18.860 align:middle line:84% All of these as closely related issues 01:18:18.860 --> 01:18:21.440 align:middle line:84% to safeguard citizens' voting rights. 01:18:21.440 --> 01:18:23.490 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 01:18:23.490 --> 01:18:23.990 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 01:18:23.990 --> 01:18:28.490 align:middle line:84% Before we proceed, could Chairman Moran, 01:18:28.490 --> 01:18:31.460 align:middle line:84% you've got another member who's joined you? 01:18:31.460 --> 01:18:34.790 align:middle line:84% Thank you very much, Chairman Brownsberger. 01:18:34.790 --> 01:18:39.410 align:middle line:84% Joining us from Dorchester from the 13 Suffolk district, 01:18:39.410 --> 01:18:42.302 align:middle line:84% he's the chair of Federal Stimulus and Census Oversight, 01:18:42.302 --> 01:18:43.760 align:middle line:84% which is a very important committee 01:18:43.760 --> 01:18:45.622 align:middle line:90% as it relates to our job. 01:18:45.622 --> 01:18:48.080 align:middle line:84% The gentleman from Dorchester, Dan Hunt, want to say hello? 01:18:48.080 --> 01:18:52.980 align:middle line:90% 01:18:52.980 --> 01:18:56.090 align:middle line:84% Maybe they don't want to say hello. 01:18:56.090 --> 01:18:57.800 align:middle line:90% Well, that's Dan Hunt. 01:18:57.800 --> 01:18:59.660 align:middle line:90% Back to you. 01:18:59.660 --> 01:19:01.310 align:middle line:90% Very good. 01:19:01.310 --> 01:19:06.110 align:middle line:90% Thank you so much, Lydia Lowe. 01:19:06.110 --> 01:19:07.550 align:middle line:90% Isabel Gonzales next? 01:19:07.550 --> 01:19:11.030 align:middle line:90% 01:19:11.030 --> 01:19:12.140 align:middle line:90% Hi, thank you. 01:19:12.140 --> 01:19:15.600 align:middle line:90% 01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:18.600 align:middle line:84% Good morning and thank you, Redistricting Committee Chair 01:19:18.600 --> 01:19:21.750 align:middle line:84% Senator Williams Brownsberger and Representative Mike Moran, 01:19:21.750 --> 01:19:23.550 align:middle line:84% as well as other members of this committee 01:19:23.550 --> 01:19:27.030 align:middle line:84% for hosting these public meetings, public hearings. 01:19:27.030 --> 01:19:30.587 align:middle line:84% And my daughter just came down as I'm about to give my speech. 01:19:30.587 --> 01:19:32.670 align:middle line:84% She wasn't down here this whole time, I apologize. 01:19:32.670 --> 01:19:33.545 align:middle line:90% Don't worry about it. 01:19:33.545 --> 01:19:35.460 align:middle line:84% My name is Isabel Gonzalez Webster, 01:19:35.460 --> 01:19:38.310 align:middle line:84% and I'm the executive director of Worcester Interfaith. 01:19:38.310 --> 01:19:42.210 align:middle line:84% We are a membership organization of over 26 congregations 01:19:42.210 --> 01:19:44.520 align:middle line:84% and community organizations in Worcester, 01:19:44.520 --> 01:19:48.510 align:middle line:84% as well as conveners and members of numerous coalitions 01:19:48.510 --> 01:19:51.060 align:middle line:84% from the Worcester Coalition for Education Equity, Racial 01:19:51.060 --> 01:19:53.280 align:middle line:84% Justice and Police Reform Coalition, 01:19:53.280 --> 01:19:55.140 align:middle line:84% co-chairs of the Worcester Jobs Fund, 01:19:55.140 --> 01:19:57.030 align:middle line:84% co-chair of the City Manager's Diversity 01:19:57.030 --> 01:19:59.760 align:middle line:84% and Construction Monitoring Task Force, members 01:19:59.760 --> 01:20:03.180 align:middle line:84% of the Massachusetts Department of Public Health Equity Task 01:20:03.180 --> 01:20:06.000 align:middle line:84% Force, among other coalitions, and lastly 01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:09.030 align:middle line:84% a proud member of the Drawing Democracy Coalition. 01:20:09.030 --> 01:20:11.190 align:middle line:84% Redistricting is important to Worcester 01:20:11.190 --> 01:20:14.250 align:middle line:84% because people of color lack political representation 01:20:14.250 --> 01:20:15.510 align:middle line:90% in the city. 01:20:15.510 --> 01:20:18.630 align:middle line:84% This affects policy, budgetary, and staffing decisions 01:20:18.630 --> 01:20:21.780 align:middle line:84% that are made throughout the city and state. 01:20:21.780 --> 01:20:23.790 align:middle line:84% This affects the quality of services 01:20:23.790 --> 01:20:27.060 align:middle line:84% to our communities of color and immigrant communities. 01:20:27.060 --> 01:20:28.890 align:middle line:84% According to the past census data, 01:20:28.890 --> 01:20:31.260 align:middle line:84% Black, Latino, and foreign born populations 01:20:31.260 --> 01:20:34.170 align:middle line:84% continue to grow in the city while the white population 01:20:34.170 --> 01:20:35.920 align:middle line:90% continues to decrease. 01:20:35.920 --> 01:20:37.830 align:middle line:84% However, political representations 01:20:37.830 --> 01:20:41.340 align:middle line:84% of community of color is minimal to say the least. 01:20:41.340 --> 01:20:45.310 align:middle line:84% This is not due to lack of civic engagement of our communities, 01:20:45.310 --> 01:20:48.270 align:middle line:84% but due to structural design that continue to polarize 01:20:48.270 --> 01:20:50.730 align:middle line:90% communities of color's vote. 01:20:50.730 --> 01:20:52.950 align:middle line:84% For example, our communities have 01:20:52.950 --> 01:20:56.160 align:middle line:84% advocated for policy changes in Worcester public schools 01:20:56.160 --> 01:20:59.820 align:middle line:84% for decades that have impacted our students and families. 01:20:59.820 --> 01:21:02.730 align:middle line:84% Worcester public school students population 01:21:02.730 --> 01:21:05.970 align:middle line:84% is made up of 70% students of color, 01:21:05.970 --> 01:21:09.780 align:middle line:84% yet we have huge educational gaps between students of color 01:21:09.780 --> 01:21:11.880 align:middle line:84% and white students across the board. 01:21:11.880 --> 01:21:16.260 align:middle line:84% We have an all at-large school committee electoral system. 01:21:16.260 --> 01:21:18.540 align:middle line:84% All of our school committee members are white, 01:21:18.540 --> 01:21:22.890 align:middle line:84% and 5 out of the 7 live in 2 out of the 50 01:21:22.890 --> 01:21:24.390 align:middle line:90% districts of Worcester. 01:21:24.390 --> 01:21:27.600 align:middle line:90% I'll say that again. 01:21:27.600 --> 01:21:31.860 align:middle line:84% 5 out of the 7 live in 2 out of the 50 districts in Worcester. 01:21:31.860 --> 01:21:33.965 align:middle line:90% How is that fair representation? 01:21:33.965 --> 01:21:35.340 align:middle line:84% We do not have a school committee 01:21:35.340 --> 01:21:39.810 align:middle line:84% that represents the diverse population of our student body. 01:21:39.810 --> 01:21:42.300 align:middle line:84% Hence we have had to take the extreme measure 01:21:42.300 --> 01:21:44.700 align:middle line:84% of filing a voting rights lawsuit against the City 01:21:44.700 --> 01:21:45.990 align:middle line:90% of Worcester. 01:21:45.990 --> 01:21:50.220 align:middle line:84% Our state delegation, made up of two senators and five state 01:21:50.220 --> 01:21:53.100 align:middle line:84% reps, has never, never had a person 01:21:53.100 --> 01:21:56.130 align:middle line:90% of color on the delegation. 01:21:56.130 --> 01:21:58.350 align:middle line:84% This could be due to the fact that three 01:21:58.350 --> 01:22:01.590 align:middle line:84% of our seven delegation seats solely represent 01:22:01.590 --> 01:22:03.120 align:middle line:90% the City of Worcester. 01:22:03.120 --> 01:22:05.490 align:middle line:84% The other four seats have parts of Worcester 01:22:05.490 --> 01:22:13.350 align:middle line:84% and then are made up of mostly white, conservative towns, 01:22:13.350 --> 01:22:19.800 align:middle line:84% which means that these four other seats have 01:22:19.800 --> 01:22:24.360 align:middle line:84% other municipalities that they're responsible for 01:22:24.360 --> 01:22:25.890 align:middle line:90% as well as Worcester. 01:22:25.890 --> 01:22:27.390 align:middle line:84% This way of drawing our city makes 01:22:27.390 --> 01:22:30.270 align:middle line:84% it hard to have representatives and senators of color. 01:22:30.270 --> 01:22:34.140 align:middle line:84% A great example came up in this hearing this morning. 01:22:34.140 --> 01:22:37.470 align:middle line:90% Our great rep-- excuse me. 01:22:37.470 --> 01:22:39.840 align:middle line:84% Our great rep, Jim O'Day, who I've 01:22:39.840 --> 01:22:43.500 align:middle line:84% worked with for over 15 years, is on this committee. 01:22:43.500 --> 01:22:46.260 align:middle line:84% And there was even a joke in the beginning of his introduction 01:22:46.260 --> 01:22:47.820 align:middle line:84% about whether or not he represented 01:22:47.820 --> 01:22:49.440 align:middle line:90% Worcester or Central Mass. 01:22:49.440 --> 01:22:52.110 align:middle line:84% He represents Worcester and does an amazing job, 01:22:52.110 --> 01:22:54.090 align:middle line:84% and thank you Rep O'Day for that, 01:22:54.090 --> 01:22:57.090 align:middle line:84% but he also represents West Boston. 01:22:57.090 --> 01:22:58.770 align:middle line:84% We have a huge problem in Worcester, 01:22:58.770 --> 01:23:02.100 align:middle line:84% and that is why there is huge mistrust and apathy 01:23:02.100 --> 01:23:05.790 align:middle line:84% amongst communities of color with our government. 01:23:05.790 --> 01:23:09.450 align:middle line:84% We are committed to drawing a state wide map that 01:23:09.450 --> 01:23:12.180 align:middle line:84% keeps our communities whole and increases the numbers 01:23:12.180 --> 01:23:14.310 align:middle line:90% of majority BIPOC districts. 01:23:14.310 --> 01:23:17.610 align:middle line:84% If we work together, we can create districts that maximize 01:23:17.610 --> 01:23:20.730 align:middle line:84% our communities' chances of authentic, authentic 01:23:20.730 --> 01:23:23.370 align:middle line:84% representation, and open new opportunities 01:23:23.370 --> 01:23:24.600 align:middle line:90% for building power. 01:23:24.600 --> 01:23:27.030 align:middle line:84% We will be engaging the community of Worcester 01:23:27.030 --> 01:23:29.100 align:middle line:84% in participating in hearings, educating 01:23:29.100 --> 01:23:31.260 align:middle line:84% the community on the redistricting process, 01:23:31.260 --> 01:23:33.450 align:middle line:84% providing trainings, and participating 01:23:33.450 --> 01:23:36.390 align:middle line:84% in the process of redistricting by identifying communities 01:23:36.390 --> 01:23:38.040 align:middle line:90% of interest, et cetera. 01:23:38.040 --> 01:23:40.710 align:middle line:84% We will do this in communities of color, immigrant 01:23:40.710 --> 01:23:42.660 align:middle line:84% communities, low-income communities, 01:23:42.660 --> 01:23:47.047 align:middle line:84% and in multiple languages and in culturally accessible methods. 01:23:47.047 --> 01:23:47.880 align:middle line:90% Thank you very much. 01:23:47.880 --> 01:23:50.450 align:middle line:90% 01:23:50.450 --> 01:23:52.610 align:middle line:90% Thank you very much. 01:23:52.610 --> 01:23:53.435 align:middle line:90% Senator. 01:23:53.435 --> 01:23:54.560 align:middle line:90% I just wanted to-- 01:23:54.560 --> 01:23:57.800 align:middle line:84% I just feel like I need to just point something out. 01:23:57.800 --> 01:24:02.270 align:middle line:84% I can't really take any responsibility 01:24:02.270 --> 01:24:05.720 align:middle line:84% or have no authority over the municipal districts 01:24:05.720 --> 01:24:07.310 align:middle line:90% that they draw in Worcester. 01:24:07.310 --> 01:24:11.150 align:middle line:84% But I can tell you that we created a majority minority 01:24:11.150 --> 01:24:14.540 align:middle line:84% district 10 years ago, which is the 15th Worcester district, 01:24:14.540 --> 01:24:17.570 align:middle line:84% and it was the only one we could draw in Worcester. 01:24:17.570 --> 01:24:20.930 align:middle line:84% Now I am committed to looking at those numbers again 10 01:24:20.930 --> 01:24:24.380 align:middle line:84% years later and see what they look like, but you know, 01:24:24.380 --> 01:24:26.420 align:middle line:84% I can just tell you from the seat 01:24:26.420 --> 01:24:27.993 align:middle line:84% that we were sitting in 10 years ago, 01:24:27.993 --> 01:24:30.410 align:middle line:84% there was only one opportunity to draw a majority minority 01:24:30.410 --> 01:24:32.810 align:middle line:84% district in Worcester, and we did it. 01:24:32.810 --> 01:24:36.170 align:middle line:84% There was an open election after that and the person that won 01:24:36.170 --> 01:24:40.430 align:middle line:84% wasn't of a minority, but we did everything 01:24:40.430 --> 01:24:42.830 align:middle line:84% we could do to have them have their voices heard 01:24:42.830 --> 01:24:43.658 align:middle line:90% in that district. 01:24:43.658 --> 01:24:45.200 align:middle line:84% They just happened to choose somebody 01:24:45.200 --> 01:24:47.630 align:middle line:90% that was not a minority. 01:24:47.630 --> 01:24:50.300 align:middle line:84% But I am committed to you and to Worcester and, of course, 01:24:50.300 --> 01:24:52.160 align:middle line:84% with the guidance of your delegation 01:24:52.160 --> 01:24:55.120 align:middle line:84% out there with Jimmy O'Day and John Mahoney on this committee, 01:24:55.120 --> 01:24:56.870 align:middle line:84% to take another look at that and see if we 01:24:56.870 --> 01:24:59.450 align:middle line:90% can make that even stronger. 01:24:59.450 --> 01:25:01.990 align:middle line:84% And if I can say, thank you for that. 01:25:01.990 --> 01:25:07.120 align:middle line:84% I think Mary Keefe is wonderful, and again we 01:25:07.120 --> 01:25:09.970 align:middle line:84% work really closely with Mary, and she 01:25:09.970 --> 01:25:11.590 align:middle line:84% is dedicated to a lot of the issues 01:25:11.590 --> 01:25:14.470 align:middle line:84% that communities of color care about. 01:25:14.470 --> 01:25:18.790 align:middle line:84% I think there's other issues around the municipal kind 01:25:18.790 --> 01:25:20.860 align:middle line:84% of communities that are in her district. 01:25:20.860 --> 01:25:24.010 align:middle line:84% But we appreciate that and we welcome 01:25:24.010 --> 01:25:25.510 align:middle line:90% continued conversations. 01:25:25.510 --> 01:25:26.560 align:middle line:90% So thank you, chairman. 01:25:26.560 --> 01:25:29.070 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 01:25:29.070 --> 01:25:29.570 align:middle line:90% Let's see. 01:25:29.570 --> 01:25:35.666 align:middle line:84% I believe the next member of this panel is Roberto Jimenez? 01:25:35.666 --> 01:25:38.480 align:middle line:90% Hi, everyone. 01:25:38.480 --> 01:25:39.170 align:middle line:90% All right. 01:25:39.170 --> 01:25:41.955 align:middle line:84% Thank you so much, Chairmans Brownsberger and Moran 01:25:41.955 --> 01:25:43.580 align:middle line:84% and to all the members of the committee 01:25:43.580 --> 01:25:45.913 align:middle line:84% for the opportunity to speak to you about the importance 01:25:45.913 --> 01:25:48.590 align:middle line:84% of the redistricting process to the representation of BIPOC 01:25:48.590 --> 01:25:49.845 align:middle line:90% communities in Massachusetts. 01:25:49.845 --> 01:25:51.470 align:middle line:84% And thank you so much also for the work 01:25:51.470 --> 01:25:54.012 align:middle line:84% that you all have been doing, some of you since the last time 01:25:54.012 --> 01:25:55.910 align:middle line:84% that we went through this process. 01:25:55.910 --> 01:25:57.635 align:middle line:84% My name is Roberto Jimenez Rivera. 01:25:57.635 --> 01:25:59.510 align:middle line:84% I am a member of the Chelsea School Committee 01:25:59.510 --> 01:26:01.490 align:middle line:84% and an organizer for the Boston Teachers 01:26:01.490 --> 01:26:05.240 align:middle line:84% Union, which is a member of the Drawing Democracy Coalition. 01:26:05.240 --> 01:26:06.900 align:middle line:84% Last time we went through this process, 01:26:06.900 --> 01:26:10.250 align:middle line:84% we were excited to see the 20 majority minority districts, 01:26:10.250 --> 01:26:11.897 align:middle line:84% or districts of opportunity, which 01:26:11.897 --> 01:26:13.730 align:middle line:84% gave the opportunity to communities of color 01:26:13.730 --> 01:26:15.567 align:middle line:84% to elect people like Representative Moran 01:26:15.567 --> 01:26:17.900 align:middle line:84% from Lawrence, who spoke at the beginning of the hearing 01:26:17.900 --> 01:26:19.543 align:middle line:84% about the importance of this process 01:26:19.543 --> 01:26:21.710 align:middle line:84% to elevating the voices of the community in Lawrence 01:26:21.710 --> 01:26:24.050 align:middle line:84% and elsewhere in this district and to make 01:26:24.050 --> 01:26:25.553 align:middle line:90% his election possible. 01:26:25.553 --> 01:26:27.470 align:middle line:84% It also allowed for the election of many other 01:26:27.470 --> 01:26:29.887 align:middle line:84% of the representatives and senators of color, some of whom 01:26:29.887 --> 01:26:31.285 align:middle line:90% are on this call today. 01:26:31.285 --> 01:26:32.660 align:middle line:84% It was a really great opportunity 01:26:32.660 --> 01:26:34.675 align:middle line:84% to increase engagement of communities of color 01:26:34.675 --> 01:26:36.050 align:middle line:84% over the last decade, which we're 01:26:36.050 --> 01:26:37.730 align:middle line:90% super, super grateful for. 01:26:37.730 --> 01:26:40.130 align:middle line:84% However, people of color across Massachusetts 01:26:40.130 --> 01:26:41.870 align:middle line:84% have still had a hard time getting 01:26:41.870 --> 01:26:44.510 align:middle line:84% people of color elected, which is shown in the fact 01:26:44.510 --> 01:26:47.360 align:middle line:84% that of those 20 districts, only 9 have elected representatives 01:26:47.360 --> 01:26:48.158 align:middle line:90% of color. 01:26:48.158 --> 01:26:49.700 align:middle line:84% And based on the conversations that I 01:26:49.700 --> 01:26:52.160 align:middle line:84% have with my constituents in Chelsea and other POC, 01:26:52.160 --> 01:26:54.830 align:middle line:84% other people of color in communities like Chelsea, 01:26:54.830 --> 01:26:57.200 align:middle line:84% we really want to elect more legislators of color. 01:26:57.200 --> 01:26:59.270 align:middle line:84% Because they often not only represent our values, 01:26:59.270 --> 01:27:01.250 align:middle line:84% but they understand also the unique combination of 01:27:01.250 --> 01:27:02.708 align:middle line:84% struggles that people of color live 01:27:02.708 --> 01:27:04.520 align:middle line:84% through because of lived experiences 01:27:04.520 --> 01:27:06.603 align:middle line:84% that they have had themselves, and not from having 01:27:06.603 --> 01:27:08.030 align:middle line:90% heard from constituents. 01:27:08.030 --> 01:27:11.180 align:middle line:84% That diversity of experiences is not the only important factor, 01:27:11.180 --> 01:27:13.910 align:middle line:84% but I believe it is a very important one. 01:27:13.910 --> 01:27:16.160 align:middle line:84% And we've seen that when we are given the opportunity 01:27:16.160 --> 01:27:19.430 align:middle line:84% to elect people of color, we do, as we saw in Chelsea when 01:27:19.430 --> 01:27:21.770 align:middle line:84% we moved from an at-large city council system 01:27:21.770 --> 01:27:23.630 align:middle line:84% to one that has districts now, and where 01:27:23.630 --> 01:27:25.970 align:middle line:84% we have a majority of our councilors 01:27:25.970 --> 01:27:27.680 align:middle line:84% and a majority of our school committee 01:27:27.680 --> 01:27:29.960 align:middle line:90% as well were people of color. 01:27:29.960 --> 01:27:32.270 align:middle line:84% The challenge is that having residents of color 01:27:32.270 --> 01:27:34.370 align:middle line:84% does not mean having voters of color. 01:27:34.370 --> 01:27:36.710 align:middle line:84% When I knock doors in Chelsea for my election, 01:27:36.710 --> 01:27:38.510 align:middle line:84% most of the people whose doors I knocked 01:27:38.510 --> 01:27:40.440 align:middle line:84% are not Chelsea parents, whom I consider 01:27:40.440 --> 01:27:42.950 align:middle line:84% to be a special constituency, because as a school committee 01:27:42.950 --> 01:27:44.330 align:middle line:84% member, right, their children are 01:27:44.330 --> 01:27:47.420 align:middle line:84% the ones who get the most direct benefit from our schools. 01:27:47.420 --> 01:27:51.410 align:middle line:84% And the challenge comes because many, many, many of our Chelsea 01:27:51.410 --> 01:27:54.860 align:middle line:84% schools parents are not voters because they are not citizens. 01:27:54.860 --> 01:27:57.110 align:middle line:84% And so I come to my point that having a district where 01:27:57.110 --> 01:27:58.922 align:middle line:84% a majority of people are people of color 01:27:58.922 --> 01:28:01.130 align:middle line:84% does not mean that there is a critical mass of voters 01:28:01.130 --> 01:28:01.642 align:middle line:90% of color. 01:28:01.642 --> 01:28:03.350 align:middle line:84% And so I think that it's really important 01:28:03.350 --> 01:28:04.808 align:middle line:84% that, as this committee is thinking 01:28:04.808 --> 01:28:06.770 align:middle line:84% about further empowering communities of color, 01:28:06.770 --> 01:28:08.978 align:middle line:84% that you think not just about the number of districts 01:28:08.978 --> 01:28:10.700 align:middle line:84% of opportunity, but to what the voting 01:28:10.700 --> 01:28:12.590 align:middle line:84% population in those districts looks like, 01:28:12.590 --> 01:28:14.918 align:middle line:84% to ensure that these communities are not just engaged 01:28:14.918 --> 01:28:16.460 align:middle line:84% but that they actually have the power 01:28:16.460 --> 01:28:20.210 align:middle line:84% to elect someone from their community to represent them. 01:28:20.210 --> 01:28:22.700 align:middle line:84% As for my role with the Boston Teachers Union, you know, 01:28:22.700 --> 01:28:24.607 align:middle line:84% we really want to participate in this process 01:28:24.607 --> 01:28:26.690 align:middle line:84% because it's important to us that the community we 01:28:26.690 --> 01:28:29.900 align:middle line:84% serve in Boston have accurate representation, as well. 01:28:29.900 --> 01:28:33.288 align:middle line:84% 81% of Boston Public School students are students of color. 01:28:33.288 --> 01:28:35.330 align:middle line:84% I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that in Chelsea 01:28:35.330 --> 01:28:37.310 align:middle line:90% that number is over 92%. 01:28:37.310 --> 01:28:39.530 align:middle line:84% And so this connects to the importance of empowering 01:28:39.530 --> 01:28:40.830 align:middle line:90% communities of color. 01:28:40.830 --> 01:28:43.040 align:middle line:84% But also as part of the Drawing Democracy Coalition, 01:28:43.040 --> 01:28:44.748 align:middle line:84% it is important for us to lift the voices 01:28:44.748 --> 01:28:46.220 align:middle line:84% of all students and their families 01:28:46.220 --> 01:28:48.428 align:middle line:84% so that we can maintain these communities of interest 01:28:48.428 --> 01:28:49.260 align:middle line:90% together. 01:28:49.260 --> 01:28:52.070 align:middle line:84% Of course, this is not the only important constituency, 01:28:52.070 --> 01:28:54.530 align:middle line:84% but as our young people are the future of the commonwealth, 01:28:54.530 --> 01:28:57.560 align:middle line:84% and students who are today in the fourth grade, 01:28:57.560 --> 01:28:59.360 align:middle line:84% some of them even in the third grade, 01:28:59.360 --> 01:29:01.460 align:middle line:84% will have the opportunity to vote before we do 01:29:01.460 --> 01:29:04.190 align:middle line:84% this whole process again, we are also part of this coalition 01:29:04.190 --> 01:29:06.560 align:middle line:84% so that we can work together to come up with a map 01:29:06.560 --> 01:29:08.810 align:middle line:84% that prioritizes equity for all communities 01:29:08.810 --> 01:29:11.600 align:middle line:84% not just in this moment in time, but thinking about the next 10 01:29:11.600 --> 01:29:13.100 align:middle line:84% years and what that's going to bring 01:29:13.100 --> 01:29:14.250 align:middle line:90% to us and the commonwealth. 01:29:14.250 --> 01:29:14.750 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 01:29:14.750 --> 01:29:17.280 align:middle line:90% 01:29:17.280 --> 01:29:19.530 align:middle line:90% Thank you for that very much. 01:29:19.530 --> 01:29:21.090 align:middle line:90% OK, so let's see. 01:29:21.090 --> 01:29:22.740 align:middle line:90% Those are the members of-- 01:29:22.740 --> 01:29:25.710 align:middle line:84% is there a fourth member of this panel? 01:29:25.710 --> 01:29:28.560 align:middle line:90% 01:29:28.560 --> 01:29:33.730 align:middle line:84% Jasmine and Lydia, Isabel, Roberto. 01:29:33.730 --> 01:29:34.425 align:middle line:90% OK. 01:29:34.425 --> 01:29:36.050 align:middle line:84% Questions for the members of the panel? 01:29:36.050 --> 01:29:45.180 align:middle line:90% 01:29:45.180 --> 01:29:47.260 align:middle line:84% Let me make sure I'm not missing hands here. 01:29:47.260 --> 01:29:47.950 align:middle line:90% Panelists. 01:29:47.950 --> 01:29:49.710 align:middle line:84% Senator Gomez just raised his hand. 01:29:49.710 --> 01:29:50.210 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 01:29:50.210 --> 01:29:52.712 align:middle line:90% Senator Gomez, please. 01:29:52.712 --> 01:29:56.690 align:middle line:84% Thank you, Chairman Brownsberger, Chairman Moran. 01:29:56.690 --> 01:29:59.120 align:middle line:84% I just wanted to just lift up kind 01:29:59.120 --> 01:30:03.410 align:middle line:84% of what I've heard in the last testimony that, you know-- 01:30:03.410 --> 01:30:07.910 align:middle line:84% myself, obviously, coming from a community of color 01:30:07.910 --> 01:30:11.420 align:middle line:84% and just recently being elected to the state senate, that 01:30:11.420 --> 01:30:17.300 align:middle line:84% from the last time this really great opportunity 01:30:17.300 --> 01:30:20.990 align:middle line:84% to create these districts of color, 01:30:20.990 --> 01:30:24.530 align:middle line:84% my district was created to be a district of color. 01:30:24.530 --> 01:30:26.930 align:middle line:84% And respectfully, because of some 01:30:26.930 --> 01:30:29.060 align:middle line:84% of the other testimony that I heard 01:30:29.060 --> 01:30:32.540 align:middle line:84% from the faith-based organization from, I think, 01:30:32.540 --> 01:30:39.380 align:middle line:84% it was Isabel, that looking at the demographic also 01:30:39.380 --> 01:30:41.630 align:middle line:84% and the statistics on who's actually 01:30:41.630 --> 01:30:44.600 align:middle line:84% voting-- because if there's a low voter turnout in some 01:30:44.600 --> 01:30:47.030 align:middle line:84% of these districts, realistically 01:30:47.030 --> 01:30:51.290 align:middle line:84% the ones that kind of partner with the towns and cities, 01:30:51.290 --> 01:30:55.940 align:middle line:84% how the lines are created, do create a disfunctionality 01:30:55.940 --> 01:30:57.710 align:middle line:90% in a way in the access. 01:30:57.710 --> 01:31:00.200 align:middle line:84% And I think that that's something I just 01:31:00.200 --> 01:31:01.700 align:middle line:90% wanted to lift up that I heard. 01:31:01.700 --> 01:31:05.000 align:middle line:84% And honestly it did take 10 years for a person of color, 01:31:05.000 --> 01:31:06.680 align:middle line:84% after the first time that we created 01:31:06.680 --> 01:31:09.710 align:middle line:84% this district, for a person of color to be elected, 01:31:09.710 --> 01:31:11.960 align:middle line:84% which I can honestly say was myself. 01:31:11.960 --> 01:31:15.470 align:middle line:84% But I just wanted to say that I appreciated the last panel 01:31:15.470 --> 01:31:19.610 align:middle line:84% and I completely understood the direction that they were moving 01:31:19.610 --> 01:31:22.850 align:middle line:84% into, an understanding that some communities of color 01:31:22.850 --> 01:31:27.140 align:middle line:84% don't necessarily have a great voting population 01:31:27.140 --> 01:31:29.630 align:middle line:84% because they're very highly populated when it comes 01:31:29.630 --> 01:31:31.190 align:middle line:90% to the immigrant community. 01:31:31.190 --> 01:31:31.860 align:middle line:90% And that is all. 01:31:31.860 --> 01:31:35.730 align:middle line:84% Thank you, Chairman Brownsberger. 01:31:35.730 --> 01:31:37.200 align:middle line:90% Thank you very much. 01:31:37.200 --> 01:31:38.010 align:middle line:90% Other? 01:31:38.010 --> 01:31:42.690 align:middle line:84% Is there anybody else who wanted to question or comment on that? 01:31:42.690 --> 01:31:44.970 align:middle line:84% I guess I want to just throw out a question 01:31:44.970 --> 01:31:46.830 align:middle line:84% and hear people comment, and it could 01:31:46.830 --> 01:31:50.400 align:middle line:84% be from this panel and the prior panel. 01:31:50.400 --> 01:31:52.410 align:middle line:90% You know, when there is this-- 01:31:52.410 --> 01:31:56.910 align:middle line:84% there's a balance, right, between sort of packing 01:31:56.910 --> 01:32:00.090 align:middle line:84% and creating an effective minority [INAUDIBLE] And if you 01:32:00.090 --> 01:32:02.340 align:middle line:90% take-- 01:32:02.340 --> 01:32:05.540 align:middle line:84% how do you suggest the committee try to strike that balance, 01:32:05.540 --> 01:32:06.790 align:middle line:90% if you understand my question? 01:32:06.790 --> 01:32:09.700 align:middle line:84% I mean we could take all the minorities in a community-- 01:32:09.700 --> 01:32:13.210 align:middle line:84% let's say there's enough minorities 01:32:13.210 --> 01:32:15.347 align:middle line:84% to create two majority minority districts, 01:32:15.347 --> 01:32:16.930 align:middle line:84% but maybe neither one of them is going 01:32:16.930 --> 01:32:20.800 align:middle line:84% to be effective in the sense of electing people of color 01:32:20.800 --> 01:32:22.700 align:middle line:84% because the concentration isn't great enough. 01:32:22.700 --> 01:32:27.908 align:middle line:84% How do you advise us to be balancing those considerations? 01:32:27.908 --> 01:32:30.300 align:middle line:90% Do you follow me? 01:32:30.300 --> 01:32:31.750 align:middle line:90% I'll jump in. 01:32:31.750 --> 01:32:35.670 align:middle line:84% I think one of the concerns is ensuring 01:32:35.670 --> 01:32:39.510 align:middle line:84% that, when we're looking at the districts, 01:32:39.510 --> 01:32:43.230 align:middle line:84% looking at CVAP data, or Citizen Voting Age Population, 01:32:43.230 --> 01:32:45.660 align:middle line:84% in the creation of the district, because the ability 01:32:45.660 --> 01:32:50.490 align:middle line:84% of communities of color to elect a candidate of their choice 01:32:50.490 --> 01:32:56.040 align:middle line:84% depends on who's voting in the district. 01:32:56.040 --> 01:32:58.740 align:middle line:84% That said, I think it's also important to understand 01:32:58.740 --> 01:33:03.300 align:middle line:84% whether or not that community votes in a bloc. 01:33:03.300 --> 01:33:06.000 align:middle line:84% I think it's easy to make assumptions about, 01:33:06.000 --> 01:33:09.090 align:middle line:84% you know, Black folks always vote for the same folks, 01:33:09.090 --> 01:33:11.610 align:middle line:84% or the Latinx community is always going 01:33:11.610 --> 01:33:13.170 align:middle line:90% to back a particular candidate. 01:33:13.170 --> 01:33:16.750 align:middle line:90% And generally that trend's true. 01:33:16.750 --> 01:33:19.410 align:middle line:84% But having that understanding-- and so when you're thinking 01:33:19.410 --> 01:33:24.390 align:middle line:84% about the districts and creating majority minority districts, 01:33:24.390 --> 01:33:27.330 align:middle line:84% such that communities of color can elect a candidate 01:33:27.330 --> 01:33:28.980 align:middle line:90% of their choice-- 01:33:28.980 --> 01:33:29.790 align:middle line:90% excuse me. 01:33:29.790 --> 01:33:33.510 align:middle line:84% I think maybe kind of what played out in Worcester 01:33:33.510 --> 01:33:38.460 align:middle line:84% is that, you know, is it a citizen-- 01:33:38.460 --> 01:33:41.820 align:middle line:84% or is it just voting age population 01:33:41.820 --> 01:33:44.550 align:middle line:90% to make it majority minority? 01:33:44.550 --> 01:33:47.010 align:middle line:84% Is it citizen voting age population 01:33:47.010 --> 01:33:48.510 align:middle line:90% to make it majority minority? 01:33:48.510 --> 01:33:51.960 align:middle line:84% I think those are the questions to explore. 01:33:51.960 --> 01:33:55.620 align:middle line:84% And then when we're looking at creating more districts, how 01:33:55.620 --> 01:34:00.660 align:middle line:84% much dilution is going to occur if you're siphoning off votes 01:34:00.660 --> 01:34:06.360 align:middle line:84% or population to create a second or an additional majority 01:34:06.360 --> 01:34:11.640 align:middle line:84% minority district, and in so doing, removing those votes. 01:34:11.640 --> 01:34:15.030 align:middle line:90% What is the rest of that-- 01:34:15.030 --> 01:34:18.570 align:middle line:84% are you leaving behind still a majority minority district? 01:34:18.570 --> 01:34:21.450 align:middle line:84% Or are you leaving behind a coalition district 01:34:21.450 --> 01:34:24.840 align:middle line:84% that is still going to enable voters of color 01:34:24.840 --> 01:34:26.830 align:middle line:84% to elect the candidate of their choice? 01:34:26.830 --> 01:34:28.470 align:middle line:84% So those are some of the considerations 01:34:28.470 --> 01:34:33.360 align:middle line:84% that I think the committee should take into account when 01:34:33.360 --> 01:34:36.460 align:middle line:90% trying to tackle this issue. 01:34:36.460 --> 01:34:37.140 align:middle line:90% That's helpful. 01:34:37.140 --> 01:34:38.500 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 01:34:38.500 --> 01:34:40.960 align:middle line:84% Rahsaan, you remember from 10 years ago, 01:34:40.960 --> 01:34:43.420 align:middle line:84% it's just one of the things that we did, 01:34:43.420 --> 01:34:48.130 align:middle line:84% and we can look at this again and see if it's in effect. 01:34:48.130 --> 01:34:51.840 align:middle line:84% You know, it was almost like 60% was the number we looked at. 01:34:51.840 --> 01:34:57.460 align:middle line:84% If you got to 60%, that was a strong number. 01:34:57.460 --> 01:35:00.640 align:middle line:84% And you're right, look at the citizens of voting age 01:35:00.640 --> 01:35:03.640 align:middle line:90% information. 01:35:03.640 --> 01:35:05.830 align:middle line:84% But, you know, you touched on it a little bit 01:35:05.830 --> 01:35:07.960 align:middle line:84% there, assuming that people are going 01:35:07.960 --> 01:35:10.990 align:middle line:84% to vote for somebody because they're Black, 01:35:10.990 --> 01:35:12.990 align:middle line:84% they're going to vote for Black, Latino is gonna 01:35:12.990 --> 01:35:16.330 align:middle line:84% vote for Latino, I mean, the most obvious sign of that 01:35:16.330 --> 01:35:19.720 align:middle line:84% not happening was the district in Dorchester that 01:35:19.720 --> 01:35:24.070 align:middle line:84% went from Tommy Finneran to Linda Forry to Dan Cullinane 01:35:24.070 --> 01:35:25.480 align:middle line:90% to now Brandy Oakley. 01:35:25.480 --> 01:35:28.630 align:middle line:84% So I mean, you know, you can't always 01:35:28.630 --> 01:35:30.880 align:middle line:90% guarantee that that happens. 01:35:30.880 --> 01:35:34.510 align:middle line:84% And you have just Liz Malia, her district. 01:35:34.510 --> 01:35:37.000 align:middle line:84% You know, Liz is representing a majority minority 01:35:37.000 --> 01:35:40.510 align:middle line:84% district for a very, very long time, 01:35:40.510 --> 01:35:43.150 align:middle line:84% and they seem to like her representation. 01:35:43.150 --> 01:35:45.100 align:middle line:90% So we may draw it-- 01:35:45.100 --> 01:35:47.530 align:middle line:84% I mean, to use the old analogy, we may draw it 01:35:47.530 --> 01:35:50.530 align:middle line:84% but it might not come until another cycle goes by, 01:35:50.530 --> 01:35:52.080 align:middle line:90% you know? 01:35:52.080 --> 01:35:54.580 align:middle line:84% But I think the numbers we were looking at from 10 years ago 01:35:54.580 --> 01:35:59.410 align:middle line:84% is, if we go got to around 60, that that was a good majority 01:35:59.410 --> 01:36:00.160 align:middle line:90% minority district. 01:36:00.160 --> 01:36:03.550 align:middle line:84% The one in Worcester we could only get to 54%. 01:36:03.550 --> 01:36:06.070 align:middle line:84% But we thought it was, you also want to put something, 01:36:06.070 --> 01:36:06.857 align:middle line:90% I think-- 01:36:06.857 --> 01:36:08.440 align:middle line:84% and again, this is open for discussion 01:36:08.440 --> 01:36:12.490 align:middle line:84% because it's 10 years, it's a different session 01:36:12.490 --> 01:36:13.540 align:middle line:90% and a different body. 01:36:13.540 --> 01:36:18.400 align:middle line:84% But you also want to put some districts on a path to-- 01:36:18.400 --> 01:36:18.910 align:middle line:90% Exactly. 01:36:18.910 --> 01:36:23.630 align:middle line:84% So it might not be strong, you know, today. 01:36:23.630 --> 01:36:25.690 align:middle line:84% But if you look at history in the four 01:36:25.690 --> 01:36:30.010 align:middle line:84% or five years previous to that and it keeps trending that way, 01:36:30.010 --> 01:36:33.010 align:middle line:84% then it may not be 60 today but it could be 01:36:33.010 --> 01:36:34.510 align:middle line:90% 60 4 years from now, you know? 01:36:34.510 --> 01:36:38.740 align:middle line:84% So those are the things I think we're going to look at. 01:36:38.740 --> 01:36:43.000 align:middle line:84% And if anybody has any other data or suggestions, 01:36:43.000 --> 01:36:44.510 align:middle line:90% we'd welcome them, you know. 01:36:44.510 --> 01:36:50.170 align:middle line:84% And so to that point, I think population trends is worth 01:36:50.170 --> 01:36:52.180 align:middle line:84% considering, right, to your point. 01:36:52.180 --> 01:36:55.490 align:middle line:84% You know, we look at the Mass Congressional District 7, 01:36:55.490 --> 01:36:55.990 align:middle line:90% right? 01:36:55.990 --> 01:36:59.470 align:middle line:84% Y'all created that and it wasn't until 2018 that you get Ayanna 01:36:59.470 --> 01:37:00.070 align:middle line:90% Pressley. 01:37:00.070 --> 01:37:02.540 align:middle line:90% So we understand how that works. 01:37:02.540 --> 01:37:03.880 align:middle line:90% I think the other thing-- 01:37:03.880 --> 01:37:06.580 align:middle line:84% to be clear, right, it's just not 01:37:06.580 --> 01:37:10.240 align:middle line:84% about electing candidates of color, right? 01:37:10.240 --> 01:37:14.120 align:middle line:84% Race can't be, unfortunately, or from the perspective 01:37:14.120 --> 01:37:16.000 align:middle line:84% of the Constitution and Voting Rights Act, 01:37:16.000 --> 01:37:20.590 align:middle line:84% can't be kind of the sole factor. 01:37:20.590 --> 01:37:23.050 align:middle line:84% And so it's really about communities electing 01:37:23.050 --> 01:37:24.460 align:middle line:90% a candidate of their choice. 01:37:24.460 --> 01:37:26.830 align:middle line:84% If it just so happens to be a person of color, 01:37:26.830 --> 01:37:29.480 align:middle line:90% that's even better. 01:37:29.480 --> 01:37:32.410 align:middle line:84% And so, you know, you talk about Rep Malia, you know, 01:37:32.410 --> 01:37:36.360 align:middle line:84% I think that's a perfect example of that. 01:37:36.360 --> 01:37:43.450 align:middle line:84% And so to your point around the opportunity 01:37:43.450 --> 01:37:47.710 align:middle line:84% districts, right, is there a strong coalition 01:37:47.710 --> 01:37:52.030 align:middle line:84% of voters of color and white allies 01:37:52.030 --> 01:37:55.330 align:middle line:84% that are voting in consistent voting patterns that 01:37:55.330 --> 01:37:57.080 align:middle line:90% create an opportunity there? 01:37:57.080 --> 01:38:00.390 align:middle line:84% So I think those are other votes to consider. 01:38:00.390 --> 01:38:00.890 align:middle line:90% Thanks. 01:38:00.890 --> 01:38:03.750 align:middle line:90% 01:38:03.750 --> 01:38:05.340 align:middle line:84% Let me follow that up a little bit. 01:38:05.340 --> 01:38:08.010 align:middle line:90% 01:38:08.010 --> 01:38:10.890 align:middle line:84% How do you sort of think about the issue 01:38:10.890 --> 01:38:15.560 align:middle line:84% of creating a majority minority district, 01:38:15.560 --> 01:38:19.160 align:middle line:84% meaning that the percentage of non-Hispanic whites 01:38:19.160 --> 01:38:24.080 align:middle line:84% is a minority, versus creating a district that is actually 01:38:24.080 --> 01:38:29.090 align:middle line:84% a majority, let's say, non-Hispanic African-American, 01:38:29.090 --> 01:38:30.650 align:middle line:90% or is Hispanic? 01:38:30.650 --> 01:38:34.520 align:middle line:90% 01:38:34.520 --> 01:38:38.550 align:middle line:84% There are different considerations there. 01:38:38.550 --> 01:38:39.780 align:middle line:90% Right. 01:38:39.780 --> 01:38:42.240 align:middle line:84% And that's something as a coalition 01:38:42.240 --> 01:38:46.380 align:middle line:84% that we have contemplated and had some conversations about, 01:38:46.380 --> 01:38:51.150 align:middle line:84% and so ideally if you can have a single race majority minority 01:38:51.150 --> 01:38:54.840 align:middle line:84% district, I think that is kind of the best case scenario, just 01:38:54.840 --> 01:38:58.260 align:middle line:84% given the fact that folks of similar racial and ethnic 01:38:58.260 --> 01:39:04.020 align:middle line:84% identities are inclined to vote similarly. 01:39:04.020 --> 01:39:06.640 align:middle line:84% That said, we think it's important, 01:39:06.640 --> 01:39:09.390 align:middle line:84% and I think this gets to this notion of opportunity 01:39:09.390 --> 01:39:13.060 align:middle line:84% districts, of putting BIPOC groups together, right? 01:39:13.060 --> 01:39:18.720 align:middle line:84% Black, indigenous, people of color, together in groups, 01:39:18.720 --> 01:39:24.445 align:middle line:84% so long as it creates that opportunity for that district 01:39:24.445 --> 01:39:26.070 align:middle line:84% to elect the candidate of their choice. 01:39:26.070 --> 01:39:29.640 align:middle line:84% That those people in that district-- right, because there 01:39:29.640 --> 01:39:34.950 align:middle line:84% are folks along ethnicities that have conservative viewpoints, 01:39:34.950 --> 01:39:39.150 align:middle line:84% and there are some who are far more progressive than others. 01:39:39.150 --> 01:39:41.910 align:middle line:84% And just kind of lumping all BIPOC folks together 01:39:41.910 --> 01:39:45.060 align:middle line:84% isn't necessarily going to yield the type of results 01:39:45.060 --> 01:39:46.000 align:middle line:90% that we want to see. 01:39:46.000 --> 01:39:48.120 align:middle line:84% So looking at voting patterns in history 01:39:48.120 --> 01:39:50.370 align:middle line:84% to create those opportunity districts, 01:39:50.370 --> 01:39:53.443 align:middle line:84% even if it is a coalition, and not 01:39:53.443 --> 01:39:55.860 align:middle line:84% kind of the traditional legal standard of coalition, which 01:39:55.860 --> 01:40:01.170 align:middle line:84% is non-Hispanic white and one racial group, 01:40:01.170 --> 01:40:06.540 align:middle line:84% but a BIPOC coalition district with possibly white allies 01:40:06.540 --> 01:40:08.750 align:middle line:84% I think would also be good as well. 01:40:08.750 --> 01:40:10.140 align:middle line:84% So long as it creates the outcome 01:40:10.140 --> 01:40:12.660 align:middle line:84% of giving folks an opportunity to elect 01:40:12.660 --> 01:40:14.730 align:middle line:90% a candidate [INAUDIBLE]. 01:40:14.730 --> 01:40:18.120 align:middle line:84% I want to chime in with just get a quick comment here as well. 01:40:18.120 --> 01:40:20.130 align:middle line:84% I think an important part of when 01:40:20.130 --> 01:40:22.470 align:middle line:84% thinking about building multiracial coalitions, right, 01:40:22.470 --> 01:40:27.910 align:middle line:84% or even single race coalitions, thinking about-- 01:40:27.910 --> 01:40:29.620 align:middle line:84% even within the Latinx community, 01:40:29.620 --> 01:40:31.300 align:middle line:84% there are different nationalities 01:40:31.300 --> 01:40:32.490 align:middle line:90% within those communities. 01:40:32.490 --> 01:40:34.900 align:middle line:84% And especially within the Asian-American community, 01:40:34.900 --> 01:40:36.668 align:middle line:84% there are so many different nationalities 01:40:36.668 --> 01:40:37.710 align:middle line:90% within those communities. 01:40:37.710 --> 01:40:40.168 align:middle line:84% So I think part of it has to be listening to the people who 01:40:40.168 --> 01:40:44.290 align:middle line:84% are organizing those communities to think about how they engage 01:40:44.290 --> 01:40:47.830 align:middle line:84% with one another and make sure that, as we're building 01:40:47.830 --> 01:40:50.350 align:middle line:84% those communities of interest, that it's not just like, oh, 01:40:50.350 --> 01:40:52.240 align:middle line:84% it's all the Asian groups together, right? 01:40:52.240 --> 01:40:55.150 align:middle line:84% And trying to dig deeper into that so that we 01:40:55.150 --> 01:40:57.580 align:middle line:84% have a good understanding of how they might actually 01:40:57.580 --> 01:40:58.660 align:middle line:90% vote together as a bloc. 01:40:58.660 --> 01:41:00.400 align:middle line:84% I think that's really important, and I 01:41:00.400 --> 01:41:02.350 align:middle line:84% think part of what we're trying to do through this coalition 01:41:02.350 --> 01:41:04.433 align:middle line:84% is make sure that we are elevating those voices so 01:41:04.433 --> 01:41:08.065 align:middle line:84% that we can make sure that that is also part of the process. 01:41:08.065 --> 01:41:10.720 align:middle line:90% 01:41:10.720 --> 01:41:13.000 align:middle line:84% Well, we definitely are really looking forward 01:41:13.000 --> 01:41:14.740 align:middle line:84% to your guidance throughout this process. 01:41:14.740 --> 01:41:17.600 align:middle line:90% 01:41:17.600 --> 01:41:19.030 align:middle line:90% Thank you for those answers. 01:41:19.030 --> 01:41:21.887 align:middle line:90% They are helpful. 01:41:21.887 --> 01:41:23.470 align:middle line:84% Are there other questions from members 01:41:23.470 --> 01:41:27.760 align:middle line:84% of the committee or any more comments 01:41:27.760 --> 01:41:35.060 align:middle line:84% that this committee members would like to offer, 01:41:35.060 --> 01:41:38.450 align:middle line:90% panelists would like to offer? 01:41:38.450 --> 01:41:46.950 align:middle line:84% If not, let's get started on the third panel, 01:41:46.950 --> 01:41:56.200 align:middle line:84% which is Janelle Dempsey and Alex Psilakis and [? Adjutha ?] 01:41:56.200 --> 01:42:00.400 align:middle line:84% [? Ramon. ?] And I believe they've already been all 01:42:00.400 --> 01:42:00.900 align:middle line:90% promoted. 01:42:00.900 --> 01:42:03.620 align:middle line:90% 01:42:03.620 --> 01:42:07.310 align:middle line:84% So would you like to lead off, Janelle? 01:42:07.310 --> 01:42:08.210 align:middle line:90% Yes. 01:42:08.210 --> 01:42:09.020 align:middle line:90% Good afternoon. 01:42:09.020 --> 01:42:12.260 align:middle line:84% I'd like to begin by thanking Senator Brownsberger, 01:42:12.260 --> 01:42:15.200 align:middle line:84% Representative Moran, and the members of the committee 01:42:15.200 --> 01:42:18.680 align:middle line:84% for hosting this hearing and for your commitment to engaging 01:42:18.680 --> 01:42:21.410 align:middle line:84% community organizations throughout the redistricting 01:42:21.410 --> 01:42:22.640 align:middle line:90% process. 01:42:22.640 --> 01:42:25.130 align:middle line:84% My name is Janelle Dempsey I'm an attorney at Lawyers 01:42:25.130 --> 01:42:26.090 align:middle line:90% for Civil Rights. 01:42:26.090 --> 01:42:30.020 align:middle line:84% LCR protects and expands voting rights for people of color 01:42:30.020 --> 01:42:34.190 align:middle line:84% and traditionally disenfranchised communities. 01:42:34.190 --> 01:42:38.270 align:middle line:84% As part of this work, we, along with our dedicated partners 01:42:38.270 --> 01:42:40.400 align:middle line:84% in the Drawing Democracy Coalition, 01:42:40.400 --> 01:42:44.060 align:middle line:84% are proactively ensuring that the forthcoming redistricting 01:42:44.060 --> 01:42:47.450 align:middle line:84% process across the commonwealth is fair, equitable, 01:42:47.450 --> 01:42:50.120 align:middle line:84% transparent, and community driven. 01:42:50.120 --> 01:42:54.140 align:middle line:84% LCR stands ready to offer legal expertise 01:42:54.140 --> 01:42:56.240 align:middle line:84% and to empower communities of color 01:42:56.240 --> 01:42:58.370 align:middle line:90% to participate in the process. 01:42:58.370 --> 01:43:01.490 align:middle line:84% We will harness our pro bono network of attorneys 01:43:01.490 --> 01:43:04.310 align:middle line:84% to bring legal support to ensure that the Voting Rights 01:43:04.310 --> 01:43:07.580 align:middle line:84% Act and other legal protections are fully considered 01:43:07.580 --> 01:43:09.620 align:middle line:90% in the line drawing process. 01:43:09.620 --> 01:43:13.010 align:middle line:84% Coupled with strong ties to grassroots groups working 01:43:13.010 --> 01:43:16.130 align:middle line:84% on the ground, we'll engage client communities 01:43:16.130 --> 01:43:19.070 align:middle line:84% through education about the laws that protect their voting 01:43:19.070 --> 01:43:22.460 align:middle line:84% strength, by democratizing access to mapping tools, 01:43:22.460 --> 01:43:25.010 align:middle line:84% and by offering spaces to explore 01:43:25.010 --> 01:43:28.610 align:middle line:84% the impact of redistricting on their communities. 01:43:28.610 --> 01:43:31.130 align:middle line:84% LCR particularly welcomes the opportunity 01:43:31.130 --> 01:43:35.300 align:middle line:84% to serve as a resource to the committee to ensure compliance 01:43:35.300 --> 01:43:36.860 align:middle line:90% with the Voting Rights Act. 01:43:36.860 --> 01:43:40.730 align:middle line:84% The VRA is a powerful tool to combat discrimination 01:43:40.730 --> 01:43:42.830 align:middle line:84% and intimidation that can be used 01:43:42.830 --> 01:43:45.140 align:middle line:84% to deny communities of color the right 01:43:45.140 --> 01:43:47.030 align:middle line:90% to cast a meaningful ballot. 01:43:47.030 --> 01:43:49.580 align:middle line:84% Specifically, section 2 of the VRA 01:43:49.580 --> 01:43:52.160 align:middle line:84% prohibits any voting practice or procedure 01:43:52.160 --> 01:43:54.470 align:middle line:84% that results in denial or abridgment, 01:43:54.470 --> 01:43:58.460 align:middle line:84% or anyone's right to vote based on race, color, or minority 01:43:58.460 --> 01:43:59.840 align:middle line:90% language status. 01:43:59.840 --> 01:44:04.370 align:middle line:84% It prohibits laws or practices that deny minority voters 01:44:04.370 --> 01:44:08.060 align:middle line:84% an equal opportunity to participate 01:44:08.060 --> 01:44:11.120 align:middle line:84% in the political process and to elect representatives 01:44:11.120 --> 01:44:12.480 align:middle line:90% of their choice. 01:44:12.480 --> 01:44:16.370 align:middle line:84% This includes vote dilution, where electoral lines are drawn 01:44:16.370 --> 01:44:19.400 align:middle line:84% in a way that dilutes the ability of communities of color 01:44:19.400 --> 01:44:21.860 align:middle line:84% to elect candidates of their choice. 01:44:21.860 --> 01:44:25.490 align:middle line:84% Over the years, LCR has filed numerous vote dilution 01:44:25.490 --> 01:44:28.040 align:middle line:84% lawsuits, including redistricting challenges 01:44:28.040 --> 01:44:31.520 align:middle line:84% at the state level, and lawsuits at the local level, 01:44:31.520 --> 01:44:34.280 align:middle line:84% such as against the cities of Lowell and Worcester, 01:44:34.280 --> 01:44:37.490 align:middle line:84% challenging their at-large municipal voting systems 01:44:37.490 --> 01:44:39.680 align:middle line:90% that Isabel mentioned earlier. 01:44:39.680 --> 01:44:42.020 align:middle line:84% For LCR and the communities of color 01:44:42.020 --> 01:44:44.690 align:middle line:84% we represent, it is always our desire 01:44:44.690 --> 01:44:47.600 align:middle line:84% to work with those who are drawing lines 01:44:47.600 --> 01:44:50.960 align:middle line:84% to proactively guard against vote dilution. 01:44:50.960 --> 01:44:53.420 align:middle line:84% In our view, it is far preferable 01:44:53.420 --> 01:44:56.690 align:middle line:84% to have electoral lines drawn fairly and appropriately 01:44:56.690 --> 01:44:58.640 align:middle line:84% in the first place rather than having 01:44:58.640 --> 01:45:02.000 align:middle line:84% to go through the court system after the fact if they are not. 01:45:02.000 --> 01:45:04.880 align:middle line:84% To that end, we hope to continue working with the committee 01:45:04.880 --> 01:45:09.290 align:middle line:84% to proactively ensure compliance with voting rights laws 01:45:09.290 --> 01:45:11.300 align:middle line:90% in this redistricting cycle. 01:45:11.300 --> 01:45:14.630 align:middle line:84% This hearing marks a critical step in this partnership, 01:45:14.630 --> 01:45:16.730 align:middle line:84% and we are grateful for the opportunity 01:45:16.730 --> 01:45:20.960 align:middle line:84% to share with you our goals for the redistricting process. 01:45:20.960 --> 01:45:24.050 align:middle line:84% Along with our Drawing Democracy Coalition partners, 01:45:24.050 --> 01:45:26.990 align:middle line:84% we look forward to continuing to work together 01:45:26.990 --> 01:45:29.510 align:middle line:84% to elevate the voices of communities of color 01:45:29.510 --> 01:45:32.900 align:middle line:84% and immigrants to foster a more equitable and accountable 01:45:32.900 --> 01:45:34.040 align:middle line:90% democracy. 01:45:34.040 --> 01:45:36.670 align:middle line:90% Thank you very much. 01:45:36.670 --> 01:45:37.940 align:middle line:90% Thank you very much. 01:45:37.940 --> 01:45:40.700 align:middle line:84% We're glad for the expertise you're bringing to us. 01:45:40.700 --> 01:45:43.790 align:middle line:84% We look forward to working with you. 01:45:43.790 --> 01:45:45.800 align:middle line:90% Alex? 01:45:45.800 --> 01:45:47.120 align:middle line:90% Sure. 01:45:47.120 --> 01:45:50.210 align:middle line:84% Good afternoon, Chair Brownsberger, Chair Moran, 01:45:50.210 --> 01:45:52.100 align:middle line:84% and esteemed members of the committee. 01:45:52.100 --> 01:45:55.590 align:middle line:84% It is truly a pleasure to be speaking with you today. 01:45:55.590 --> 01:45:58.100 align:middle line:84% My name is Alex Psilakis and I am 01:45:58.100 --> 01:46:02.510 align:middle line:84% the policy and communications manager at Mass Vote. 01:46:02.510 --> 01:46:05.330 align:middle line:84% As some of you may be aware, Mass Vote 01:46:05.330 --> 01:46:10.400 align:middle line:84% is a non-partisan, non-profit, issue advocacy organization 01:46:10.400 --> 01:46:12.270 align:middle line:90% dedicated to voting rights. 01:46:12.270 --> 01:46:15.590 align:middle line:84% We are also a proud member of the Drawing Democracy 01:46:15.590 --> 01:46:17.100 align:middle line:90% Coalition. 01:46:17.100 --> 01:46:20.360 align:middle line:84% Today, we aim to speak briefly about the importance 01:46:20.360 --> 01:46:23.150 align:middle line:84% of preserving and expanding voting 01:46:23.150 --> 01:46:26.720 align:middle line:84% access during the redistricting process. 01:46:26.720 --> 01:46:30.650 align:middle line:84% 10 years ago, the committee did a superb job at this. 01:46:30.650 --> 01:46:33.500 align:middle line:84% After considering public input for months, 01:46:33.500 --> 01:46:37.250 align:middle line:84% the state adopted a map with 20 majority BIPOC house 01:46:37.250 --> 01:46:40.760 align:middle line:84% legislative districts, three senate districts, and one 01:46:40.760 --> 01:46:42.470 align:middle line:90% congressional districts. 01:46:42.470 --> 01:46:45.590 align:middle line:84% All of these were immensely successful steps 01:46:45.590 --> 01:46:49.460 align:middle line:84% taken to empower bipartisan immigrant voters that all 01:46:49.460 --> 01:46:51.890 align:middle line:84% too often see their voices ignored 01:46:51.890 --> 01:46:54.410 align:middle line:90% in the democratic process. 01:46:54.410 --> 01:46:56.630 align:middle line:84% During this redistricting process, 01:46:56.630 --> 01:46:58.850 align:middle line:84% it is critical that the committee build off 01:46:58.850 --> 01:47:02.510 align:middle line:84% of this progress, creating additional majority BIPOC 01:47:02.510 --> 01:47:03.800 align:middle line:90% districts. 01:47:03.800 --> 01:47:07.280 align:middle line:84% According to research conducted by Boston University professor 01:47:07.280 --> 01:47:10.730 align:middle line:84% Maxwell Palmer, at least five house districts 01:47:10.730 --> 01:47:14.610 align:middle line:84% have become majority BIPOC in the last decade. 01:47:14.610 --> 01:47:19.220 align:middle line:84% That's the 28th Middlesex, the 9th Hampton, 33rd Middlesex, 01:47:19.220 --> 01:47:22.460 align:middle line:90% 16th Worcester, and 1st Norfolk. 01:47:22.460 --> 01:47:27.950 align:middle line:84% 3 more, the 10th Plymouth, 15th Suffolk, and 16th Suffolk, 01:47:27.950 --> 01:47:31.910 align:middle line:84% may possibly be redrawn as majority BIPOC districts, 01:47:31.910 --> 01:47:35.150 align:middle line:84% or at least used as a starting point. 01:47:35.150 --> 01:47:39.000 align:middle line:84% Two Senate districts, Middlesex and Suffolk district, 01:47:39.000 --> 01:47:41.870 align:middle line:84% as well as the second Essex and Middlesex district, 01:47:41.870 --> 01:47:44.490 align:middle line:90% are in a similar position. 01:47:44.490 --> 01:47:48.480 align:middle line:84% These results reveal the broader demographic trends 01:47:48.480 --> 01:47:51.510 align:middle line:84% that Massachusetts has experienced over the past 10 01:47:51.510 --> 01:47:52.770 align:middle line:90% years. 01:47:52.770 --> 01:47:56.730 align:middle line:84% The state's black population has risen to about 7%, 01:47:56.730 --> 01:48:01.440 align:middle line:84% while its Hispanic population has risen to about 12%. 01:48:01.440 --> 01:48:04.980 align:middle line:84% In all counties, except Dukes and Nantucket, 01:48:04.980 --> 01:48:08.430 align:middle line:84% BIPOC populations grew at a higher rate 01:48:08.430 --> 01:48:11.370 align:middle line:90% than white populations. 01:48:11.370 --> 01:48:13.260 align:middle line:84% The committee must account for this 01:48:13.260 --> 01:48:15.660 align:middle line:84% throughout the redistricting process. 01:48:15.660 --> 01:48:20.760 align:middle line:84% Creating a just, fair, number of majority BIPOC districts. 01:48:20.760 --> 01:48:22.890 align:middle line:84% In doing so, the committee may help 01:48:22.890 --> 01:48:26.010 align:middle line:84% empower our Black and brown, low-income, 01:48:26.010 --> 01:48:30.390 align:middle line:84% and immigrant voters by breaking down barriers to the ballot box 01:48:30.390 --> 01:48:33.720 align:middle line:84% they traditionally and disproportionately face. 01:48:33.720 --> 01:48:36.000 align:middle line:84% Along these lines, the committee must 01:48:36.000 --> 01:48:39.960 align:middle line:84% ensure that malicious practices like cracking and packing 01:48:39.960 --> 01:48:43.480 align:middle line:84% have no place in the redistricting process. 01:48:43.480 --> 01:48:46.980 align:middle line:84% Thank you for all the work that you have done on redistricting 01:48:46.980 --> 01:48:49.300 align:middle line:84% and all the work that lies ahead. 01:48:49.300 --> 01:48:51.930 align:middle line:84% We especially appreciate your willingness 01:48:51.930 --> 01:48:54.060 align:middle line:84% to listen to the needs and interests 01:48:54.060 --> 01:48:56.400 align:middle line:84% of grassroots organizations like our own. 01:48:56.400 --> 01:48:58.640 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 01:48:58.640 --> 01:49:00.050 align:middle line:90% Thank you very much. 01:49:00.050 --> 01:49:02.270 align:middle line:90% Thank you very much. 01:49:02.270 --> 01:49:21.162 align:middle line:84% And [? Adjutha ?] [? Ramon? ?] Oh, let's see. 01:49:21.162 --> 01:49:23.370 align:middle line:84% Adjutha, it looks like you haven't been promoted yet. 01:49:23.370 --> 01:49:23.912 align:middle line:90% I apologize. 01:49:23.912 --> 01:49:24.620 align:middle line:90% Hang on a second. 01:49:24.620 --> 01:49:27.800 align:middle line:90% 01:49:27.800 --> 01:49:28.530 align:middle line:90% There you go. 01:49:28.530 --> 01:49:29.604 align:middle line:90% I apologize. 01:49:29.604 --> 01:49:34.898 align:middle line:90% 01:49:34.898 --> 01:49:35.440 align:middle line:90% There you go. 01:49:35.440 --> 01:49:38.380 align:middle line:90% 01:49:38.380 --> 01:49:40.390 align:middle line:84% We're not hearing you yet, but we see you. 01:49:40.390 --> 01:49:47.910 align:middle line:90% 01:49:47.910 --> 01:49:49.710 align:middle line:90% Getting static, but no voice. 01:49:49.710 --> 01:50:10.520 align:middle line:90% 01:50:10.520 --> 01:50:12.870 align:middle line:84% I'm just double checking how you're looking now. 01:50:12.870 --> 01:50:16.027 align:middle line:90% 01:50:16.027 --> 01:50:17.630 align:middle line:84% Yeah, you should-- can you hear me? 01:50:17.630 --> 01:50:18.130 align:middle line:90% Speak. 01:50:18.130 --> 01:50:18.830 align:middle line:90% Try again. 01:50:18.830 --> 01:50:20.260 align:middle line:90% Yes, can you hear me? 01:50:20.260 --> 01:50:21.050 align:middle line:90% Now you look good. 01:50:21.050 --> 01:50:22.240 align:middle line:90% Yep, there you go. 01:50:22.240 --> 01:50:23.170 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 01:50:23.170 --> 01:50:24.230 align:middle line:90% Sorry about that. 01:50:24.230 --> 01:50:25.410 align:middle line:90% No problem. 01:50:25.410 --> 01:50:27.160 align:middle line:84% Thank you, Chairmen Brownsberger and Moran 01:50:27.160 --> 01:50:29.160 align:middle line:84% and distinguished members of the Joint Committee 01:50:29.160 --> 01:50:30.070 align:middle line:90% on Redistricting. 01:50:30.070 --> 01:50:31.528 align:middle line:84% Thank you for holding this hearing, 01:50:31.528 --> 01:50:34.340 align:middle line:84% and it's a pleasure to speak before you today. 01:50:34.340 --> 01:50:36.850 align:middle line:84% My name is [? Adjutha ?] [? Ramon. ?] I work at MIRA. 01:50:36.850 --> 01:50:39.460 align:middle line:84% And as MIRA president and CEO Eva Millona 01:50:39.460 --> 01:50:41.980 align:middle line:84% noted earlier today, MIRA is a partner of the Drawing 01:50:41.980 --> 01:50:44.140 align:middle line:90% Democracy Coalition. 01:50:44.140 --> 01:50:46.990 align:middle line:84% Part of my work at MIRA involves supporting Drawing Democracy 01:50:46.990 --> 01:50:49.780 align:middle line:84% on data-related issues and monitoring 01:50:49.780 --> 01:50:52.540 align:middle line:90% related federal developments. 01:50:52.540 --> 01:50:54.945 align:middle line:84% Other testimony by partners in the coalition today 01:50:54.945 --> 01:50:56.320 align:middle line:84% addressed ways that the coalition 01:50:56.320 --> 01:50:58.210 align:middle line:84% hopes to collaborate with this committee 01:50:58.210 --> 01:51:00.700 align:middle line:84% throughout the redistricting process. 01:51:00.700 --> 01:51:03.100 align:middle line:84% My goal with this testimony is to outline 01:51:03.100 --> 01:51:06.520 align:middle line:84% a specific timeline related challenge around data delivery, 01:51:06.520 --> 01:51:10.930 align:middle line:84% and further highlight why collaboration will be so key. 01:51:10.930 --> 01:51:13.330 align:middle line:84% As is undoubtedly well known to this committee, 01:51:13.330 --> 01:51:17.020 align:middle line:84% the 2020 census was beset by numerous challenges, 01:51:17.020 --> 01:51:18.610 align:middle line:84% and as a result of these challenges 01:51:18.610 --> 01:51:21.670 align:middle line:84% the Bureau has been forced to shift its data release timeline 01:51:21.670 --> 01:51:24.820 align:middle line:90% by approximately six months. 01:51:24.820 --> 01:51:26.980 align:middle line:84% As of early April, the Bureau intends 01:51:26.980 --> 01:51:29.380 align:middle line:84% to produce the detailed redistricting data 01:51:29.380 --> 01:51:33.820 align:middle line:84% file, also known as the PL94-171 data file, 01:51:33.820 --> 01:51:36.330 align:middle line:90% by September 30 of this year. 01:51:36.330 --> 01:51:39.070 align:middle line:84% The Bureau has shared that this file may be available 01:51:39.070 --> 01:51:42.250 align:middle line:84% as early as mid-August, although it would be in a less user 01:51:42.250 --> 01:51:44.710 align:middle line:90% friendly format. 01:51:44.710 --> 01:51:46.810 align:middle line:84% While this delay creates challenges 01:51:46.810 --> 01:51:49.630 align:middle line:84% given state redistricting guidelines and statute, 01:51:49.630 --> 01:51:52.588 align:middle line:84% it is also worth noting that the Bureau is taking this delay so 01:51:52.588 --> 01:51:54.130 align:middle line:84% as to improve the quality of the data 01:51:54.130 --> 01:51:56.450 align:middle line:90% that it ultimately produces. 01:51:56.450 --> 01:51:58.213 align:middle line:84% With the additional time, the Bureau 01:51:58.213 --> 01:51:59.630 align:middle line:84% will be able to subjected the data 01:51:59.630 --> 01:52:02.030 align:middle line:84% to more rigorous internal analysis 01:52:02.030 --> 01:52:05.810 align:middle line:84% and also to external evaluation, including from the nonpartisan 01:52:05.810 --> 01:52:09.440 align:middle line:84% American Statistical Association. 01:52:09.440 --> 01:52:12.260 align:middle line:84% The quality of census data is absolutely critical. 01:52:12.260 --> 01:52:14.120 align:middle line:84% Directly and indirectly, census data 01:52:14.120 --> 01:52:18.200 align:middle line:84% informs resource allocation to states and smaller geographies. 01:52:18.200 --> 01:52:21.260 align:middle line:84% At the state level, the state Constitution of Massachusetts 01:52:21.260 --> 01:52:23.210 align:middle line:84% mandates that the census provide the basis 01:52:23.210 --> 01:52:25.610 align:middle line:84% for decennial redistricting, of course. 01:52:25.610 --> 01:52:29.040 align:middle line:84% And in turn, the census results directly impact public health, 01:52:29.040 --> 01:52:31.370 align:middle line:84% financial stability, and political power 01:52:31.370 --> 01:52:33.470 align:middle line:90% of our communities. 01:52:33.470 --> 01:52:36.470 align:middle line:84% Accurate quality data is critical to equitable 01:52:36.470 --> 01:52:38.820 align:middle line:90% resourcing. 01:52:38.820 --> 01:52:41.340 align:middle line:84% As one of the world's premier statistical agencies, 01:52:41.340 --> 01:52:42.960 align:middle line:84% the Census Bureau produces a suite 01:52:42.960 --> 01:52:46.860 align:middle line:84% of well-reputed data products about the American public. 01:52:46.860 --> 01:52:48.990 align:middle line:84% These include periodic demographic and economic 01:52:48.990 --> 01:52:50.040 align:middle line:90% surveys. 01:52:50.040 --> 01:52:53.723 align:middle line:84% They also include the American Community Survey or the ACS. 01:52:53.723 --> 01:52:55.890 align:middle line:84% This is an annual survey that collects detailed data 01:52:55.890 --> 01:52:58.680 align:middle line:84% from respondents, including ancestry, income, and language 01:52:58.680 --> 01:53:00.980 align:middle line:90% proficiency. 01:53:00.980 --> 01:53:04.790 align:middle line:84% With the detailed data contained in ACS, in some ways 01:53:04.790 --> 01:53:07.490 align:middle line:84% it provides the most insight into the American public 01:53:07.490 --> 01:53:10.440 align:middle line:84% out of all of the Bureau data products. 01:53:10.440 --> 01:53:13.070 align:middle line:84% However, it's also important to note that the ACS has 01:53:13.070 --> 01:53:15.720 align:middle line:90% several important limitations. 01:53:15.720 --> 01:53:18.350 align:middle line:84% One of these that the ACS uses slightly different residence 01:53:18.350 --> 01:53:20.430 align:middle line:90% results from the census. 01:53:20.430 --> 01:53:22.110 align:middle line:84% This will not impact many areas, but it 01:53:22.110 --> 01:53:24.240 align:middle line:84% could impact some areas of Massachusetts, 01:53:24.240 --> 01:53:26.850 align:middle line:84% particularly in the cape and islands. 01:53:26.850 --> 01:53:28.890 align:middle line:84% Another limitation of the ACS is that it 01:53:28.890 --> 01:53:32.310 align:middle line:84% uses significant statistical sampling. 01:53:32.310 --> 01:53:34.110 align:middle line:84% To put this into perspective, the ACS 01:53:34.110 --> 01:53:37.770 align:middle line:84% is distributed to only 3.5 million households. 01:53:37.770 --> 01:53:40.650 align:middle line:84% Compare that with the 128.4 million households that 01:53:40.650 --> 01:53:44.705 align:middle line:90% were covered in 2020 Census. 01:53:44.705 --> 01:53:46.830 align:middle line:84% As a result of these limitations, and as the Bureau 01:53:46.830 --> 01:53:48.480 align:middle line:84% itself has acknowledged, this makes 01:53:48.480 --> 01:53:53.160 align:middle line:84% the ACS have large margins of errors for small geographies. 01:53:53.160 --> 01:53:55.560 align:middle line:84% In turn, this makes the ACS unreliable for drawing 01:53:55.560 --> 01:53:59.703 align:middle line:84% the precise contours of legislative districts. 01:53:59.703 --> 01:54:01.620 align:middle line:84% I spent so much time discussing that because I 01:54:01.620 --> 01:54:05.400 align:middle line:84% think it's important to contrast this with the decennial census. 01:54:05.400 --> 01:54:07.020 align:middle line:84% The census is an actual headcount 01:54:07.020 --> 01:54:10.490 align:middle line:90% of the American population. 01:54:10.490 --> 01:54:13.348 align:middle line:84% The majority of the responses through the decennial census 01:54:13.348 --> 01:54:15.140 align:middle line:84% are collected through direct self response, 01:54:15.140 --> 01:54:19.350 align:middle line:84% and there's limited invitation that is involved. 01:54:19.350 --> 01:54:21.150 align:middle line:84% This method of direct data collection 01:54:21.150 --> 01:54:24.450 align:middle line:84% makes it a uniquely reliable data source. 01:54:24.450 --> 01:54:26.310 align:middle line:84% And while preliminary work [INAUDIBLE] 01:54:26.310 --> 01:54:29.640 align:middle line:84% can be done through the results of other data products 01:54:29.640 --> 01:54:33.310 align:middle line:84% like the ACS, the actual line drawing will, I think, 01:54:33.310 --> 01:54:36.690 align:middle line:84% need to wait until the release of the PL94-171 data 01:54:36.690 --> 01:54:40.120 align:middle line:90% file in the fall of this year. 01:54:40.120 --> 01:54:41.730 align:middle line:84% Given the state's statutory deadlines, 01:54:41.730 --> 01:54:43.920 align:middle line:84% this will create a very tight window for legislative 01:54:43.920 --> 01:54:45.960 align:middle line:90% and federal line drawing. 01:54:45.960 --> 01:54:48.240 align:middle line:84% In turn, this makes it all the more critical 01:54:48.240 --> 01:54:51.810 align:middle line:84% that there is early continued cooperation with this committee 01:54:51.810 --> 01:54:53.863 align:middle line:90% well before the fall. 01:54:53.863 --> 01:54:55.530 align:middle line:84% Thank you very much, the Joint Committee 01:54:55.530 --> 01:54:57.613 align:middle line:84% on Redistricting, for beginning this collaboration 01:54:57.613 --> 01:54:58.710 align:middle line:90% process so early. 01:54:58.710 --> 01:55:01.290 align:middle line:84% I look forward to continued collaboration with you 01:55:01.290 --> 01:55:04.370 align:middle line:84% and with Drawing Democracy Coalition in the months ahead. 01:55:04.370 --> 01:55:05.244 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 01:55:05.244 --> 01:55:07.140 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 01:55:07.140 --> 01:55:10.740 align:middle line:84% We appreciate the expertise you're bringing to this, 01:55:10.740 --> 01:55:12.930 align:middle line:84% and again, look forward to working with you. 01:55:12.930 --> 01:55:16.310 align:middle line:90% 01:55:16.310 --> 01:55:21.290 align:middle line:84% So, questions from my colleagues. 01:55:21.290 --> 01:55:24.370 align:middle line:84% But maybe I'll just start off with giving the opportunity 01:55:24.370 --> 01:55:28.930 align:middle line:84% to the members of this panel to respond to the questions 01:55:28.930 --> 01:55:31.180 align:middle line:90% that we were raising earlier. 01:55:31.180 --> 01:55:34.090 align:middle line:84% I know you also bring special expertise 01:55:34.090 --> 01:55:37.420 align:middle line:84% on the questions of the criteria we're using 01:55:37.420 --> 01:55:44.020 align:middle line:84% and the subtleties of majority minority versus majority 01:55:44.020 --> 01:55:46.450 align:middle line:84% African-American, majority Hispanic, et cetera, 01:55:46.450 --> 01:55:48.820 align:middle line:84% and how we kind of balance and work with those issues. 01:55:48.820 --> 01:55:52.440 align:middle line:90% 01:55:52.440 --> 01:55:55.738 align:middle line:84% If you'd like to comment on those. 01:55:55.738 --> 01:55:57.530 align:middle line:84% I think one thing I would just like to say, 01:55:57.530 --> 01:55:59.450 align:middle line:84% just jumping off of what Rahsaan said 01:55:59.450 --> 01:56:01.400 align:middle line:84% is, I think it's a really good idea 01:56:01.400 --> 01:56:04.393 align:middle line:84% to pay extra careful attention to the CVAP data 01:56:04.393 --> 01:56:05.060 align:middle line:90% when you get it. 01:56:05.060 --> 01:56:08.510 align:middle line:84% Because if you're creating a majority minority district that 01:56:08.510 --> 01:56:11.630 align:middle line:84% has a very small voting able population, 01:56:11.630 --> 01:56:14.840 align:middle line:84% then it's almost sort of a hollow move. 01:56:14.840 --> 01:56:19.010 align:middle line:84% So I think paying close attention to that CVAP data 01:56:19.010 --> 01:56:22.700 align:middle line:84% and really utilizing it when you can would be really, really 01:56:22.700 --> 01:56:26.070 align:middle line:90% beneficial. 01:56:26.070 --> 01:56:26.570 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 01:56:26.570 --> 01:56:35.200 align:middle line:90% 01:56:35.200 --> 01:56:39.190 align:middle line:84% OK, if no further thoughts on that from this panel, 01:56:39.190 --> 01:56:44.880 align:middle line:84% let me recognize Senator Hinds with a question. 01:56:44.880 --> 01:56:46.110 align:middle line:90% Great, thanks. 01:56:46.110 --> 01:56:47.210 align:middle line:90% And thanks, everyone. 01:56:47.210 --> 01:56:50.610 align:middle line:84% This has been incredibly informative and important 01:56:50.610 --> 01:56:53.850 align:middle line:90% conversations that we're having. 01:56:53.850 --> 01:56:56.440 align:middle line:84% The last comments tie into this somewhat. 01:56:56.440 --> 01:56:59.820 align:middle line:84% I think so far we've been focused on the district level 01:56:59.820 --> 01:57:04.210 align:middle line:84% lens and centered on equal electoral opportunity, 01:57:04.210 --> 01:57:05.850 align:middle line:84% especially for BIPOC communities, 01:57:05.850 --> 01:57:10.560 align:middle line:84% and especially aware that equal opportunity may not currently 01:57:10.560 --> 01:57:14.640 align:middle line:90% be enjoyed or historically. 01:57:14.640 --> 01:57:17.910 align:middle line:84% I guess something that jumps out at me in this conversation 01:57:17.910 --> 01:57:23.130 align:middle line:84% is, when you look at the objective of equal opportunity 01:57:23.130 --> 01:57:26.640 align:middle line:84% in elections and then you look at the outcomes 01:57:26.640 --> 01:57:28.920 align:middle line:84% in a place like the Massachusetts State Senate 01:57:28.920 --> 01:57:31.770 align:middle line:84% and the percentage of representation 01:57:31.770 --> 01:57:34.950 align:middle line:84% in the statewide legislative bodies, 01:57:34.950 --> 01:57:39.660 align:middle line:84% it might be a lower percentage than what a given race 01:57:39.660 --> 01:57:41.620 align:middle line:90% represents in the population. 01:57:41.620 --> 01:57:44.032 align:middle line:84% And so I guess I'm wondering, you 01:57:44.032 --> 01:57:47.490 align:middle line:84% know, in some cases it's probably due to concentrations 01:57:47.490 --> 01:57:50.020 align:middle line:90% of population in a district. 01:57:50.020 --> 01:57:52.680 align:middle line:90% And so that's one thing. 01:57:52.680 --> 01:57:56.730 align:middle line:84% I guess, should we also be looking at, and maybe this 01:57:56.730 --> 01:57:58.410 align:middle line:84% is already clear to everyone else, how 01:57:58.410 --> 01:58:01.110 align:middle line:84% we achieve equal representation in the governing bodies 01:58:01.110 --> 01:58:01.770 align:middle line:90% themselves? 01:58:01.770 --> 01:58:04.200 align:middle line:84% And does that change the way we're 01:58:04.200 --> 01:58:07.230 align:middle line:84% looking at the design of a district 01:58:07.230 --> 01:58:11.640 align:middle line:84% so that you're kind of shaping the districts in a manner 01:58:11.640 --> 01:58:13.950 align:middle line:84% that results in representation of the final numbers 01:58:13.950 --> 01:58:17.940 align:middle line:84% of the bodies being elected, and not just the chances within one 01:58:17.940 --> 01:58:19.655 align:middle line:90% district? 01:58:19.655 --> 01:58:21.030 align:middle line:84% I'm not sure if that makes sense. 01:58:21.030 --> 01:58:25.230 align:middle line:90% 01:58:25.230 --> 01:58:26.865 align:middle line:84% Anybody can pick that up and respond. 01:58:26.865 --> 01:58:29.340 align:middle line:84% And I may not see your hand, so if you're 01:58:29.340 --> 01:58:33.330 align:middle line:84% a panelist who wants to respond to that, feel free to-- 01:58:33.330 --> 01:58:34.170 align:middle line:90% I see Beth. 01:58:34.170 --> 01:58:36.960 align:middle line:84% Go ahead, Beth, if you want to respond. 01:58:36.960 --> 01:58:38.910 align:middle line:84% That's a great question, Senator Hinds, 01:58:38.910 --> 01:58:43.290 align:middle line:84% about representation in the state house in aggregate. 01:58:43.290 --> 01:58:45.480 align:middle line:84% I think something that we were trying to do-- 01:58:45.480 --> 01:58:49.920 align:middle line:84% I mean there is a concentration of communities of color because 01:58:49.920 --> 01:58:52.950 align:middle line:84% of the histories of redlining and many other types 01:58:52.950 --> 01:58:58.620 align:middle line:90% of structural forms of racism. 01:58:58.620 --> 01:59:01.560 align:middle line:84% I think what we are trying to do is to make sure 01:59:01.560 --> 01:59:05.160 align:middle line:84% that the communities of interest are well 01:59:05.160 --> 01:59:08.820 align:middle line:84% preserved and represented within districts. 01:59:08.820 --> 01:59:14.400 align:middle line:84% We need to walk this line between the criteria 01:59:14.400 --> 01:59:16.470 align:middle line:84% put forth in the Voting Rights Act 01:59:16.470 --> 01:59:22.050 align:middle line:84% and also the Equal Protection Clause in the 14th Amendment. 01:59:22.050 --> 01:59:23.850 align:middle line:84% So I think what we're really trying 01:59:23.850 --> 01:59:29.730 align:middle line:84% to do is understand what are the criteria that connect 01:59:29.730 --> 01:59:32.480 align:middle line:84% communities, particularly in communities of color, 01:59:32.480 --> 01:59:35.250 align:middle line:84% to ensure that the communities of interest 01:59:35.250 --> 01:59:37.870 align:middle line:90% are preserved in districts. 01:59:37.870 --> 01:59:40.860 align:middle line:90% For example, I think there are-- 01:59:40.860 --> 01:59:43.590 align:middle line:84% well, I suppose Representative Hunt would know the answer 01:59:43.590 --> 01:59:47.160 align:middle line:84% to this quite well, but there are multiple districts 01:59:47.160 --> 01:59:49.350 align:middle line:90% that represent Mattapan. 01:59:49.350 --> 01:59:52.770 align:middle line:84% And I think there are some people in Mattapan who 01:59:52.770 --> 01:59:57.900 align:middle line:84% would like greater representation in a fewer 01:59:57.900 --> 01:59:59.490 align:middle line:90% number of districts. 01:59:59.490 --> 02:00:06.600 align:middle line:84% And we see that type of cracking take place all over the map. 02:00:06.600 --> 02:00:12.510 align:middle line:84% That likely had good intentions in 2011 02:00:12.510 --> 02:00:16.110 align:middle line:84% and also, given the demographic changes, development, and more, 02:00:16.110 --> 02:00:21.810 align:middle line:84% has led to a disproportionately white state house. 02:00:21.810 --> 02:00:26.640 align:middle line:84% So I think, yes, we're looking at the total picture 02:00:26.640 --> 02:00:30.570 align:middle line:84% of 160 districts in the house, 40 districts in the Senate. 02:00:30.570 --> 02:00:32.190 align:middle line:84% But also I think in particular, we're 02:00:32.190 --> 02:00:34.140 align:middle line:84% looking at the preservation of communities 02:00:34.140 --> 02:00:37.050 align:middle line:84% of interests that are defined by people who 02:00:37.050 --> 02:00:38.634 align:middle line:90% live in those neighborhoods. 02:00:38.634 --> 02:00:43.850 align:middle line:90% 02:00:43.850 --> 02:00:50.600 align:middle line:84% Some of the challenges when you're doing redistricting 02:00:50.600 --> 02:00:58.820 align:middle line:84% and you have a clustering of single ethnic populations-- 02:00:58.820 --> 02:01:02.000 align:middle line:84% so whether it's Asian, whether it's Latino, 02:01:02.000 --> 02:01:03.710 align:middle line:90% or whether it's Black-- 02:01:03.710 --> 02:01:08.570 align:middle line:84% and you're trying to put them together to get that section 2 02:01:08.570 --> 02:01:10.610 align:middle line:90% voting rights district, right? 02:01:10.610 --> 02:01:14.690 align:middle line:84% So which is sort of like the gold standard of redistricting 02:01:14.690 --> 02:01:18.560 align:middle line:84% if you have a clustering of one group. 02:01:18.560 --> 02:01:20.780 align:middle line:84% But the problem is like, you know, I look at the 5th 02:01:20.780 --> 02:01:24.200 align:middle line:84% and the 6th Suffolk districts, which are in Mattapan, 02:01:24.200 --> 02:01:30.290 align:middle line:84% is we did what we need to do that under section 2, which 02:01:30.290 --> 02:01:35.450 align:middle line:84% as of 10 years ago, you know, the 5th Suffolk was 02:01:35.450 --> 02:01:43.280 align:middle line:84% 51.8% Black and the 6th Suffolk was 68.5% black. 02:01:43.280 --> 02:01:46.790 align:middle line:84% But when you're trying to get that number up so you 02:01:46.790 --> 02:01:53.360 align:middle line:84% can get a single ethnic number to be over 50, 02:01:53.360 --> 02:01:55.580 align:middle line:84% you're also pulling in a lot of people 02:01:55.580 --> 02:01:57.290 align:middle line:90% who are not in that group. 02:01:57.290 --> 02:01:59.360 align:middle line:84% So you'd have Latinos and Asians. 02:01:59.360 --> 02:02:02.480 align:middle line:84% So when you look at the overall number of those two districts, 02:02:02.480 --> 02:02:04.760 align:middle line:84% you know, their minority number when 02:02:04.760 --> 02:02:08.000 align:middle line:84% you look at it from a coalition minority point of view, 02:02:08.000 --> 02:02:10.850 align:middle line:90% they're in the 90s, right? 02:02:10.850 --> 02:02:13.820 align:middle line:84% Which if you look at solely that number you'd 02:02:13.820 --> 02:02:16.550 align:middle line:90% say that's packing, right? 02:02:16.550 --> 02:02:19.400 align:middle line:84% It wouldn't be, because packing only applies 02:02:19.400 --> 02:02:21.228 align:middle line:90% when you do it with one. 02:02:21.228 --> 02:02:23.270 align:middle line:84% But if you're looking at it from that perspective 02:02:23.270 --> 02:02:24.470 align:middle line:90% you'd say it's packing. 02:02:24.470 --> 02:02:27.620 align:middle line:84% But we needed to do that to get those numbers up 02:02:27.620 --> 02:02:30.590 align:middle line:90% for the Black districts, right? 02:02:30.590 --> 02:02:33.680 align:middle line:84% And the same happened in the 12th Suffolk as well. 02:02:33.680 --> 02:02:37.700 align:middle line:84% You know, we got that number up to 64.7% black, 02:02:37.700 --> 02:02:40.410 align:middle line:84% but the overall minority number is almost 80% in that district, 02:02:40.410 --> 02:02:40.910 align:middle line:90% right? 02:02:40.910 --> 02:02:46.160 align:middle line:84% So those three jump off the page at you, 02:02:46.160 --> 02:02:48.242 align:middle line:84% because you say, wow, there's a lot of minorities 02:02:48.242 --> 02:02:48.950 align:middle line:90% in that district. 02:02:48.950 --> 02:02:49.820 align:middle line:90% Why don't they spread them out? 02:02:49.820 --> 02:02:51.680 align:middle line:84% Well, if we spread them out, then we 02:02:51.680 --> 02:02:55.880 align:middle line:90% fail the section 2 test, right? 02:02:55.880 --> 02:02:59.660 align:middle line:84% But the beauty of it is that, 10 years ago, we 02:02:59.660 --> 02:03:00.710 align:middle line:90% had these discussions. 02:03:00.710 --> 02:03:02.270 align:middle line:90% We explained why we did it. 02:03:02.270 --> 02:03:04.910 align:middle line:84% We explained the reasoning that those numbers looked-- 02:03:04.910 --> 02:03:06.680 align:middle line:84% and there was generally I think-- 02:03:06.680 --> 02:03:10.520 align:middle line:84% I don't want to speak for people that were here on this call 02:03:10.520 --> 02:03:11.390 align:middle line:90% from 10 years ago. 02:03:11.390 --> 02:03:12.470 align:middle line:90% Generally they knew that. 02:03:12.470 --> 02:03:16.070 align:middle line:84% I think that was the difference between previous redistrictings 02:03:16.070 --> 02:03:20.270 align:middle line:84% and the one 10 years ago is that we had the conversation, 02:03:20.270 --> 02:03:23.060 align:middle line:84% we told them what was going on, and they 02:03:23.060 --> 02:03:25.387 align:middle line:84% knew why that number looked the way it did. 02:03:25.387 --> 02:03:27.470 align:middle line:84% But so that is a challenge when you're doing that. 02:03:27.470 --> 02:03:29.760 align:middle line:84% That is one of the real challenges that exists, so. 02:03:29.760 --> 02:03:34.580 align:middle line:90% 02:03:34.580 --> 02:03:35.080 align:middle line:90% Great. 02:03:35.080 --> 02:03:36.250 align:middle line:90% Let's see. 02:03:36.250 --> 02:03:41.639 align:middle line:84% Any other comments or questions from members of the committee? 02:03:41.639 --> 02:03:45.860 align:middle line:90% 02:03:45.860 --> 02:03:48.830 align:middle line:84% Senator, can I add a quick comment from the panel? 02:03:48.830 --> 02:03:49.740 align:middle line:90% Please. 02:03:49.740 --> 02:03:50.240 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 02:03:50.240 --> 02:03:51.560 align:middle line:90% Just wanted to quickly add. 02:03:51.560 --> 02:03:53.150 align:middle line:84% I know that a number of panelists 02:03:53.150 --> 02:03:57.080 align:middle line:84% have mentioned the use of CVAP a couple of times, 02:03:57.080 --> 02:04:03.350 align:middle line:84% and I know that in some spaces CVAP has been used as a way 02:04:03.350 --> 02:04:06.340 align:middle line:84% to kind of take power away from communities of color. 02:04:06.340 --> 02:04:09.030 align:middle line:84% So I just want to kind of quickly address that. 02:04:09.030 --> 02:04:14.270 align:middle line:84% CVAP, the use of it, it's not inherently good or bad. 02:04:14.270 --> 02:04:16.760 align:middle line:84% It's a tool in our toolkit that can 02:04:16.760 --> 02:04:19.040 align:middle line:90% be used for good or for evil. 02:04:19.040 --> 02:04:21.860 align:middle line:84% And I think as we're thinking about kind 02:04:21.860 --> 02:04:24.680 align:middle line:84% of using CVAP, kind of any of the tools 02:04:24.680 --> 02:04:27.500 align:middle line:84% that we have at our disposal to create new districts, 02:04:27.500 --> 02:04:29.660 align:middle line:84% right, I think the importance isn't about thinking 02:04:29.660 --> 02:04:31.880 align:middle line:84% about what tools we're necessarily using, right? 02:04:31.880 --> 02:04:34.280 align:middle line:84% As long as we're sticking to the legal framework that 02:04:34.280 --> 02:04:36.495 align:middle line:84% allows us to create these districts, 02:04:36.495 --> 02:04:38.870 align:middle line:84% let's do that, but then as we're thinking about how we're 02:04:38.870 --> 02:04:41.210 align:middle line:84% doing it, thinking about ultimately the end 02:04:41.210 --> 02:04:44.570 align:middle line:84% result as the target and not about whether using CVAP or not 02:04:44.570 --> 02:04:45.390 align:middle line:90% is good. 02:04:45.390 --> 02:04:47.640 align:middle line:84% So I just wanted to make sure that I highlighted that. 02:04:47.640 --> 02:04:50.300 align:middle line:84% Because as we start hearing the term more 02:04:50.300 --> 02:04:53.880 align:middle line:84% it might bring up red flags for some people. 02:04:53.880 --> 02:04:56.100 align:middle line:90% Thank you for that. 02:04:56.100 --> 02:05:00.662 align:middle line:84% Are there other-- we have a great panel here. 02:05:00.662 --> 02:05:02.120 align:middle line:84% I'm so grateful for the involvement 02:05:02.120 --> 02:05:05.780 align:middle line:84% of all the expertise and community perspective 02:05:05.780 --> 02:05:08.120 align:middle line:84% that this collection of panels has brought, 02:05:08.120 --> 02:05:10.640 align:middle line:84% and we look forward to continuing 02:05:10.640 --> 02:05:15.680 align:middle line:84% to stay very close and engaged to all of you, close to 02:05:15.680 --> 02:05:18.330 align:middle line:90% and engaged with all of you. 02:05:18.330 --> 02:05:21.103 align:middle line:84% Any last comments before we kind of adjourn this panel? 02:05:21.103 --> 02:05:22.520 align:middle line:84% There are some other witnesses who 02:05:22.520 --> 02:05:24.020 align:middle line:84% have signed up that we look forward 02:05:24.020 --> 02:05:26.150 align:middle line:84% to taking their testimony momentarily, 02:05:26.150 --> 02:05:28.420 align:middle line:84% but we welcome any further comments from this panel. 02:05:28.420 --> 02:05:33.420 align:middle line:90% 02:05:33.420 --> 02:05:34.560 align:middle line:90% OK. 02:05:34.560 --> 02:05:36.190 align:middle line:90% Thank you very much. 02:05:36.190 --> 02:05:39.750 align:middle line:84% And so I will slowly move you back to attendee status, 02:05:39.750 --> 02:05:42.060 align:middle line:84% but right now the next thing I'm going to do 02:05:42.060 --> 02:05:49.240 align:middle line:84% is try to promote the next person I 02:05:49.240 --> 02:05:51.310 align:middle line:90% believe who has signed up here. 02:05:51.310 --> 02:05:53.540 align:middle line:84% Let me see if I can get this right. 02:05:53.540 --> 02:05:55.840 align:middle line:84% We've got some real time responses 02:05:55.840 --> 02:06:00.640 align:middle line:84% people who have signed up in the last few, 02:06:00.640 --> 02:06:02.725 align:middle line:84% and I just want to get them in the right order. 02:06:02.725 --> 02:06:09.240 align:middle line:90% 02:06:09.240 --> 02:06:11.970 align:middle line:84% Well, actually I'm not clear from what I see. 02:06:11.970 --> 02:06:13.170 align:middle line:90% Is there anybody else? 02:06:13.170 --> 02:06:17.490 align:middle line:84% I see Ms. [? Rachelle ?] [? Smith. ?] I'm going to allow 02:06:17.490 --> 02:06:20.670 align:middle line:84% you to talk and ask you whether you were seeking to testify. 02:06:20.670 --> 02:06:27.440 align:middle line:90% 02:06:27.440 --> 02:06:29.285 align:middle line:84% [? Rachelle ?] [? Smith, ?] you are on mute. 02:06:29.285 --> 02:06:37.483 align:middle line:90% 02:06:37.483 --> 02:06:38.400 align:middle line:90% Bear with me a second. 02:06:38.400 --> 02:06:42.660 align:middle line:84% I'm going to give her a second to unmute, and meanwhile 02:06:42.660 --> 02:06:45.200 align:middle line:84% double check by reopening the spreadsheet of people 02:06:45.200 --> 02:06:48.790 align:middle line:90% who have signed up on the form. 02:06:48.790 --> 02:06:49.850 align:middle line:90% I'm not sure that any-- 02:06:49.850 --> 02:06:54.280 align:middle line:90% 02:06:54.280 --> 02:06:56.560 align:middle line:84% Jasmine Gomez, is [? Nicky ?] did 02:06:56.560 --> 02:06:58.450 align:middle line:90% [? Nicky ?] wish to testify? 02:06:58.450 --> 02:07:02.200 align:middle line:84% I don't see [? Nicky ?] in the among the attendees here, 02:07:02.200 --> 02:07:09.530 align:middle line:84% so she may not or he may not have been signed up. 02:07:09.530 --> 02:07:12.110 align:middle line:90% So here's what I'm going to do. 02:07:12.110 --> 02:07:14.310 align:middle line:84% Just to make sure we don't miss anybody, 02:07:14.310 --> 02:07:18.350 align:middle line:84% it's going to take me a minute to just remove 02:07:18.350 --> 02:07:21.590 align:middle line:84% members of the panel, or work us back down to members 02:07:21.590 --> 02:07:22.610 align:middle line:90% of the panel. 02:07:22.610 --> 02:07:29.210 align:middle line:84% So why don't we plan to take a three minute break until 1:15, 02:07:29.210 --> 02:07:30.967 align:middle line:84% and that'll give every member the chance 02:07:30.967 --> 02:07:32.300 align:middle line:90% to take a break if they need it. 02:07:32.300 --> 02:07:35.450 align:middle line:84% And we will reconvene in just about, let's say, 02:07:35.450 --> 02:07:37.310 align:middle line:90% five minutes, 1:17. 02:07:37.310 --> 02:07:39.230 align:middle line:90% We'll reconvene at 1:17. 02:07:39.230 --> 02:07:41.960 align:middle line:84% And at that point, we will go into executive session 02:07:41.960 --> 02:07:45.620 align:middle line:90% and take a vote on our charge. 02:07:45.620 --> 02:07:47.570 align:middle line:84% Executive session remains in public. 02:07:47.570 --> 02:07:52.300 align:middle line:84% We're not leaving the public sphere. 02:07:52.300 --> 02:07:55.540 align:middle line:84% We're just not taking testimony any further. 02:07:55.540 --> 02:07:57.310 align:middle line:84% But during this five minutes, I'll 02:07:57.310 --> 02:07:58.920 align:middle line:84% be looking to make sure I haven't missed anybody 02:07:58.920 --> 02:07:59.962 align:middle line:90% who's seeking to testify. 02:07:59.962 --> 02:08:05.080 align:middle line:90% 02:08:05.080 --> 02:08:08.800 align:middle line:84% So I'm speaking to my chief of staff. 02:08:08.800 --> 02:12:25.390 align:middle line:90% 02:12:25.390 --> 02:12:28.360 align:middle line:84% And fill out the form that's linked to 02:12:28.360 --> 02:12:31.090 align:middle line:84% from the hearing scheduled, and they would appear. 02:12:31.090 --> 02:12:33.970 align:middle line:84% But I'm not seeing that there's anybody else who's seeking 02:12:33.970 --> 02:12:35.220 align:middle line:90% to do that at this time. 02:12:35.220 --> 02:13:45.440 align:middle line:90% 02:13:45.440 --> 02:13:52.340 align:middle line:84% So if you are in hearing, let's start 02:13:52.340 --> 02:13:54.200 align:middle line:90% to gather again to reconvene. 02:13:54.200 --> 02:15:50.280 align:middle line:90% 02:15:50.280 --> 02:15:52.980 align:middle line:90% OK. 02:15:52.980 --> 02:15:54.230 align:middle line:90% Looks like we're kind of back. 02:15:54.230 --> 02:15:58.910 align:middle line:84% Before we close the sort of public conversation hearing 02:15:58.910 --> 02:16:00.650 align:middle line:84% part of this session, I just want 02:16:00.650 --> 02:16:06.240 align:middle line:84% to make sure that, are there any members who had remarks 02:16:06.240 --> 02:16:12.510 align:middle line:84% that they wanted to make, had the opportunity to do so. 02:16:12.510 --> 02:16:14.370 align:middle line:84% You know, we went through introductions. 02:16:14.370 --> 02:16:16.470 align:middle line:84% If anybody had anything they wanted to say 02:16:16.470 --> 02:16:17.790 align:middle line:84% but didn't feel that they were authorized 02:16:17.790 --> 02:16:19.790 align:middle line:84% to do so as we went through those introductions, 02:16:19.790 --> 02:16:25.757 align:middle line:84% feel authorized to do so now, if there's anything anybody wanted 02:16:25.757 --> 02:16:26.590 align:middle line:90% to put on the table. 02:16:26.590 --> 02:16:38.110 align:middle line:90% 02:16:38.110 --> 02:16:39.459 align:middle line:90% Not seeing hands raised. 02:16:39.459 --> 02:16:42.370 align:middle line:84% Not hearing-- I think I'm trusting 02:16:42.370 --> 02:16:44.620 align:middle line:84% that everybody's had the opportunity to speak 02:16:44.620 --> 02:16:46.459 align:middle line:90% who wanted to speak. 02:16:46.459 --> 02:16:48.879 align:middle line:84% Any other additional comments are good. 02:16:48.879 --> 02:16:52.660 align:middle line:84% And so with that, I'd entertain a emotion 02:16:52.660 --> 02:16:58.920 align:middle line:90% to close the public hearing. 02:16:58.920 --> 02:17:02.120 align:middle line:90% [INAUDIBLE] 02:17:02.120 --> 02:17:04.540 align:middle line:84% Is there a second for that motion? 02:17:04.540 --> 02:17:06.299 align:middle line:90% Second. 02:17:06.299 --> 02:17:08.760 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 02:17:08.760 --> 02:17:13.740 align:middle line:84% So in this public hearing environment, 02:17:13.740 --> 02:17:18.620 align:middle line:84% because it's hard to tell what's going on, the best practice-- 02:17:18.620 --> 02:17:21.667 align:middle line:84% in some people's minds the legally required practice. 02:17:21.667 --> 02:17:23.459 align:middle line:84% I don't think that applies in this setting, 02:17:23.459 --> 02:17:25.042 align:middle line:84% but it's definitely the best practice. 02:17:25.042 --> 02:17:27.180 align:middle line:84% We'll just do a little roll call real quick. 02:17:27.180 --> 02:17:29.370 align:middle line:90% And I will do the roll call. 02:17:29.370 --> 02:17:31.799 align:middle line:84% I'll go down the list as everybody appears 02:17:31.799 --> 02:17:32.850 align:middle line:90% in the participant list. 02:17:32.850 --> 02:17:37.379 align:middle line:84% I think that's the safest way to make sure I get everybody. 02:17:37.379 --> 02:17:41.549 align:middle line:90% So Senator Chairman Moran? 02:17:41.549 --> 02:17:43.760 align:middle line:90% Yep. 02:17:43.760 --> 02:17:45.920 align:middle line:90% Myself, yes. 02:17:45.920 --> 02:17:47.570 align:middle line:90% Representative Straus? 02:17:47.570 --> 02:17:48.590 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:17:48.590 --> 02:17:50.290 align:middle line:90% Representative Williams? 02:17:50.290 --> 02:17:51.290 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:17:51.290 --> 02:17:52.910 align:middle line:90% Representative Golden? 02:17:52.910 --> 02:17:55.680 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:17:55.680 --> 02:17:57.450 align:middle line:90% Representative Devers? 02:17:57.450 --> 02:17:58.799 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:17:58.799 --> 02:18:00.490 align:middle line:90% Representative Peake? 02:18:00.490 --> 02:18:00.990 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:18:00.990 --> 02:18:04.879 align:middle line:90% 02:18:04.879 --> 02:18:05.510 align:middle line:90% Let's see. 02:18:05.510 --> 02:18:08.570 align:middle line:84% The order is changing as I go here. 02:18:08.570 --> 02:18:09.170 align:middle line:90% Let's see. 02:18:09.170 --> 02:18:11.330 align:middle line:90% I got Senator Hinds? 02:18:11.330 --> 02:18:13.200 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:18:13.200 --> 02:18:14.450 align:middle line:90% This is going to be confusing. 02:18:14.450 --> 02:18:16.660 align:middle line:90% Senator Gobi? 02:18:16.660 --> 02:18:18.070 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:18:18.070 --> 02:18:19.490 align:middle line:90% Senator Fattman? 02:18:19.490 --> 02:18:19.990 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:18:19.990 --> 02:18:23.059 align:middle line:90% 02:18:23.059 --> 02:18:25.940 align:middle line:90% Bear with me a second. 02:18:25.940 --> 02:18:27.709 align:middle line:90% Representative Boldyga? 02:18:27.709 --> 02:18:28.920 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:18:28.920 --> 02:18:30.950 align:middle line:90% Representative O'Day? 02:18:30.950 --> 02:18:32.030 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:18:32.030 --> 02:18:33.860 align:middle line:90% Representative Diggs? 02:18:33.860 --> 02:18:34.879 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:18:34.879 --> 02:18:36.980 align:middle line:90% Representative Ferguson? 02:18:36.980 --> 02:18:38.070 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:18:38.070 --> 02:18:39.170 align:middle line:90% Representative Golden? 02:18:39.170 --> 02:18:42.370 align:middle line:90% 02:18:42.370 --> 02:18:43.730 align:middle line:90% Wait, have I called you already? 02:18:43.730 --> 02:18:44.510 align:middle line:90% I apologize. 02:18:44.510 --> 02:18:45.010 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 02:18:45.010 --> 02:18:45.889 align:middle line:90% Yes, again. 02:18:45.889 --> 02:18:46.389 align:middle line:90% Sorry. 02:18:46.389 --> 02:18:46.889 align:middle line:90% No worries. 02:18:46.889 --> 02:18:49.590 align:middle line:90% Representative Tyler? 02:18:49.590 --> 02:18:50.430 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:18:50.430 --> 02:18:52.200 align:middle line:90% Representative Wagner? 02:18:52.200 --> 02:18:53.879 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:18:53.879 --> 02:18:55.565 align:middle line:90% Now have I missed anybody? 02:18:55.565 --> 02:18:56.940 align:middle line:84% We're not going to do that again, 02:18:56.940 --> 02:18:59.312 align:middle line:84% because as you unmute the order changes, 02:18:59.312 --> 02:19:01.020 align:middle line:84% and so it's kind of dancing around there. 02:19:01.020 --> 02:19:02.187 align:middle line:90% So that's not going to work. 02:19:02.187 --> 02:19:03.976 align:middle line:90% Representative Frost is a yes. 02:19:03.976 --> 02:19:05.309 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Representative Frost. 02:19:05.309 --> 02:19:06.820 align:middle line:90% Senator Cyr is a yes. 02:19:06.820 --> 02:19:07.889 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Senator Cyr. 02:19:07.889 --> 02:19:08.681 align:middle line:90% Thank you for that. 02:19:08.681 --> 02:19:13.400 align:middle line:84% I apologize to those I missed as those things moved around. 02:19:13.400 --> 02:19:15.709 align:middle line:84% Well, I'm going to get a committee list up before. 02:19:15.709 --> 02:19:18.139 align:middle line:84% So the next item on our agenda is, 02:19:18.139 --> 02:19:20.389 align:middle line:84% the only vote we need to take as a committee is a vote 02:19:20.389 --> 02:19:22.620 align:middle line:90% to approve our charge. 02:19:22.620 --> 02:19:27.270 align:middle line:84% And has everybody seen the charge? 02:19:27.270 --> 02:19:29.760 align:middle line:84% Let me-- just for a second, because we can-- 02:19:29.760 --> 02:19:34.600 align:middle line:84% all share screen and put that up there if we can. 02:19:34.600 --> 02:19:38.000 align:middle line:90% 02:19:38.000 --> 02:19:39.559 align:middle line:90% How's that? 02:19:39.559 --> 02:19:43.730 align:middle line:84% Everybody can see the charge to the committee? 02:19:43.730 --> 02:19:45.860 align:middle line:90% Very straightforward charge. 02:19:45.860 --> 02:19:53.710 align:middle line:84% Basically recites our commitment to the law 02:19:53.710 --> 02:19:56.290 align:middle line:84% and our commitment to participation 02:19:56.290 --> 02:20:00.840 align:middle line:84% and our mandate to engage with the public. 02:20:00.840 --> 02:20:03.940 align:middle line:90% 02:20:03.940 --> 02:20:06.685 align:middle line:84% Any questions or thoughts on the charge? 02:20:06.685 --> 02:20:14.390 align:middle line:90% 02:20:14.390 --> 02:20:18.140 align:middle line:84% Hearing none, and let's double check on that. 02:20:18.140 --> 02:20:22.400 align:middle line:90% 02:20:22.400 --> 02:20:24.650 align:middle line:90% Not seeing any hands up. 02:20:24.650 --> 02:20:28.366 align:middle line:84% I will entertain a motion to approve the charge. 02:20:28.366 --> 02:20:30.790 align:middle line:90% [INAUDIBLE] motion. 02:20:30.790 --> 02:20:31.350 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 02:20:31.350 --> 02:20:32.770 align:middle line:90% And is that seconded? 02:20:32.770 --> 02:20:34.300 align:middle line:90% Second. 02:20:34.300 --> 02:20:36.150 align:middle line:90% Thank you, OK. 02:20:36.150 --> 02:20:39.090 align:middle line:84% So now we'll do another quick roll call. 02:20:39.090 --> 02:20:40.692 align:middle line:84% And before I call the roll again, 02:20:40.692 --> 02:20:42.900 align:middle line:84% I'm just going to get a committee list in front of me 02:20:42.900 --> 02:20:54.020 align:middle line:84% so that I don't dance out of order. 02:20:54.020 --> 02:20:56.290 align:middle line:84% So from-- I'll do the Senate side first. 02:20:56.290 --> 02:20:58.210 align:middle line:90% Senator Brownsberger, yes. 02:20:58.210 --> 02:21:01.152 align:middle line:90% Senator Chang-Diaz? 02:21:01.152 --> 02:21:02.310 align:middle line:90% Not present. 02:21:02.310 --> 02:21:04.020 align:middle line:90% Senator Cyr. 02:21:04.020 --> 02:21:05.070 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:21:05.070 --> 02:21:05.805 align:middle line:90% Senator Gomez? 02:21:05.805 --> 02:21:21.280 align:middle line:90% 02:21:21.280 --> 02:21:23.920 align:middle line:90% Senator Gomez, OK, not present. 02:21:23.920 --> 02:21:25.480 align:middle line:90% Senator Hinds? 02:21:25.480 --> 02:21:26.710 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:21:26.710 --> 02:21:27.490 align:middle line:90% Senator Fattman. 02:21:27.490 --> 02:21:31.690 align:middle line:90% 02:21:31.690 --> 02:21:32.890 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:21:32.890 --> 02:21:34.210 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 02:21:34.210 --> 02:21:39.490 align:middle line:84% OK, now on the representative side, Representative Cutler? 02:21:39.490 --> 02:21:43.240 align:middle line:90% And Senator Gobi is a yes. 02:21:43.240 --> 02:21:45.037 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Senator Gobi. 02:21:45.037 --> 02:21:47.245 align:middle line:84% I noticed that you actually don't appear on the-- oh, 02:21:47.245 --> 02:21:48.520 align:middle line:84% there you are, because you're vice chair. 02:21:48.520 --> 02:21:48.920 align:middle line:90% That's right. 02:21:48.920 --> 02:21:50.003 align:middle line:90% I'm reading down the list. 02:21:50.003 --> 02:21:51.040 align:middle line:90% Excuse me, Senator Gobi. 02:21:51.040 --> 02:21:55.650 align:middle line:90% 02:21:55.650 --> 02:21:57.450 align:middle line:90% So Chairman Moran? 02:21:57.450 --> 02:21:59.700 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:21:59.700 --> 02:22:01.690 align:middle line:90% Vice Chair Devers? 02:22:01.690 --> 02:22:02.710 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:22:02.710 --> 02:22:03.670 align:middle line:90% Representative Cutler? 02:22:03.670 --> 02:22:08.230 align:middle line:90% 02:22:08.230 --> 02:22:09.250 align:middle line:90% Representative Diggs? 02:22:09.250 --> 02:22:14.370 align:middle line:90% 02:22:14.370 --> 02:22:16.680 align:middle line:90% Representative Farley-Bouvier. 02:22:16.680 --> 02:22:20.590 align:middle line:90% 02:22:20.590 --> 02:22:21.350 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:22:21.350 --> 02:22:22.750 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 02:22:22.750 --> 02:22:23.695 align:middle line:90% Representative Fiola? 02:22:23.695 --> 02:22:27.530 align:middle line:90% 02:22:27.530 --> 02:22:29.840 align:middle line:90% Representative Golden? 02:22:29.840 --> 02:22:31.220 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:22:31.220 --> 02:22:32.210 align:middle line:90% Representative Hunt? 02:22:32.210 --> 02:22:35.130 align:middle line:90% 02:22:35.130 --> 02:22:36.030 align:middle line:90% Representative Moran? 02:22:36.030 --> 02:22:39.850 align:middle line:90% 02:22:39.850 --> 02:22:41.800 align:middle line:90% Representative O'Day? 02:22:41.800 --> 02:22:43.452 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:22:43.452 --> 02:22:44.410 align:middle line:90% Representative Mahoney? 02:22:44.410 --> 02:22:48.460 align:middle line:90% 02:22:48.460 --> 02:22:51.180 align:middle line:90% Representative Peake? 02:22:51.180 --> 02:22:52.410 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:22:52.410 --> 02:22:55.400 align:middle line:90% Representative Tyler? 02:22:55.400 --> 02:22:56.540 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:22:56.540 --> 02:22:58.820 align:middle line:90% Representative Straus? 02:22:58.820 --> 02:22:59.780 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:22:59.780 --> 02:23:00.845 align:middle line:90% Representative Vargas? 02:23:00.845 --> 02:23:05.030 align:middle line:90% 02:23:05.030 --> 02:23:07.100 align:middle line:90% Representative Wagner? 02:23:07.100 --> 02:23:08.450 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:23:08.450 --> 02:23:10.230 align:middle line:90% Representative Williams? 02:23:10.230 --> 02:23:11.390 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:23:11.390 --> 02:23:14.440 align:middle line:90% Representative Frost? 02:23:14.440 --> 02:23:15.640 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:23:15.640 --> 02:23:17.560 align:middle line:90% Representative Boldyga? 02:23:17.560 --> 02:23:19.570 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:23:19.570 --> 02:23:22.840 align:middle line:90% Representative Dooley? 02:23:22.840 --> 02:23:24.850 align:middle line:90% Representative Ferguson. 02:23:24.850 --> 02:23:27.170 align:middle line:90% Yes. 02:23:27.170 --> 02:23:31.190 align:middle line:84% Thank you, everybody, for taking the time to go through that. 02:23:31.190 --> 02:23:32.910 align:middle line:90% That's a unanimous vote. 02:23:32.910 --> 02:23:37.520 align:middle line:84% And so the charge the committee has adopted, 02:23:37.520 --> 02:23:44.710 align:middle line:84% and there's no other business to come before us 02:23:44.710 --> 02:23:46.520 align:middle line:90% in executive session here. 02:23:46.520 --> 02:23:48.670 align:middle line:84% So I believe we can adjourn, and I'm 02:23:48.670 --> 02:23:51.370 align:middle line:84% willing to do that without a roll call. 02:23:51.370 --> 02:23:55.150 align:middle line:84% So I'll just take a motion on that. 02:23:55.150 --> 02:23:55.750 align:middle line:90% So moved. 02:23:55.750 --> 02:23:57.240 align:middle line:90% You create that motion. 02:23:57.240 --> 02:23:58.060 align:middle line:90% Second. 02:23:58.060 --> 02:23:59.150 align:middle line:90% No objection? 02:23:59.150 --> 02:24:00.430 align:middle line:90% No objection. 02:24:00.430 --> 02:24:01.330 align:middle line:90% All right. 02:24:01.330 --> 02:24:02.840 align:middle line:90% We're done for the day. 02:24:02.840 --> 02:24:03.910 align:middle line:90% Thank y'all very much. 02:24:03.910 --> 02:24:04.940 align:middle line:90% Thank you, everybody. 02:24:04.940 --> 02:24:05.660 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 02:24:05.660 --> 02:24:06.160 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 02:24:06.160 --> 02:24:09.490 align:middle line:90% Thank you thank you. 02:24:09.490 --> 02:24:11.670 align:middle line:90% Give me [INAUDIBLE] you. 02:24:11.670 --> 02:24:24.000 align:middle line:90%